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Priest: Voting For Obama Could Be 'Mortal Sin'
CBS News ^ | 11/29/2008 | cbs

Posted on 11/30/2008 1:20:28 PM PST by freedumb2003

MODESTO, Calif. (CBS) ― A Roman Catholic priest has told parishioners they should confess if they voted for Barack Obama because the president-elect supports abortion..

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KEYWORDS: abortion; bho2008; catholic; catholicvote; fuhrer; life; obama; obamatransitionfile; sin
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To: freedumb2003
Could be?

Supporting abortion in any way is a mortal sin!

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

41 posted on 11/30/2008 5:00:01 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Anita1

Guess you didn’t see this list

http://www.americanpapist.com/2008/08/listed-american-bishops-who-have-spoken.html

And then it turned to 100

Last time I saw it the list included over 130 bishops — it’s a start. Catholics were elated to see these bishops with guts. And we all know that Pope Benedict is watching to replace those who did not speak out with ones that will.


42 posted on 11/30/2008 5:05:14 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

“FTR: I don’t think Catholics believe it either. A sin is a SIN whether you are cognizant of it or not!!”

In Roman Catholic moral theology, a mortal sin, as distinct from a venial sin, must meet all of the following conditions:

1. its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter;

2. it must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense (though nobody is deemed to be ignorant of the moral law, embedded into the consciences of every human being);

3. it must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a personal decision to commit the sin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_sin


43 posted on 11/30/2008 5:08:17 PM PST by Mila
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To: 353FMG

We call them CINOs Catholics in Name Only.


44 posted on 11/30/2008 5:08:32 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Anita1
The Bishops were very vocal. I guess you missed this.

Over 100 Bishops Have Spoken Out on Priority of Life Issues
Posted on October 28, 2008, 11:59 AM | Deal W. Hudson
The list of U. S. bishops who have spoken out on the priority of the life issues in this election is now over 100. The list now contains 70 individual bishops and three joint statements.
I would like to continue updating this list until the day of the election. I have tried to incorporate all the comments thus far. If I dd not get them all, I apologize. (For a few of the suggestions, I could not find a suitable link.)
Please continue using the comments section to let us know what bishop is not on this list who should be. This would include any bishop who has individually, or jointly, published a statement about this election pointing out the primacy of the life issues.
Thank you for your help.
1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver
2. Bishop James Conley, auxiliary of Denver
3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington, D.C.
4. Justin Cardinal Rigali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities
5. Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine
6. Edward Cardinal Egan of New York
7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo
8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh
9. Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs
10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio
11. Bishop Oscar Cantu, auxiliary of San Antonio
12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Centre
13. Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa
14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas
15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin
16. Sean Cardinal O'Malley of Boston
17. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando
18. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis
19. Francis Cardinal George of Chicago, President of the USCCB
20. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker
21. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse
22. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland
23. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City
24. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco
25. Bishop Glen Provost of Lake Charles, LA
26. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn
27. Bishop Joseph F. Martino of Scranton
28. Archbishop Raymond Burke, Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura
30. Bishop Peter J. Jugis of Charlotte
31. Bishop Michael F. Burbidge of Raleigh
32. Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City, KS
33. Bishop Robert Finn of Kansas City-St. Joseph, MO
34. Bishop Robert C. Morlino of Madison, WS
35. Bishop Ronald
Gilmore of Dodge City, KS
36. Bishop Paul
Coakley of Salina, KS
37. Bishop Michael
Jackels of Wichita
38. Bishop Gerald M.
Barbarito of Palm Beach
39. Bishop Kevin W.
Vann of Fort Worth
40. Bishop Rene H. Gracida, retired, of Corpus Christi
41. Daniel Cardinal DiNardo of Houston
42. Bishop Paul S. Loverde of Arlington
43. Bishop Francis X. DiLorenzo of Richmond
44. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville Center
45. Bishop Robert McManus of Worcester
46. Bishop Arthur Serratelli of Patterson
47. Bishop Robert Herrmann of St. Louis
48. Archbishop Edwin O'Brien of Baltimore
49. Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted of Phoenix
50. Bishop Thomas D. Doran of Rockford
51. Bishop Joseph A. Galante of Camden
52. Bishop Robert J. Baker of Birmingham
53. Archbishop Alexander J. Brunett of Seattle
54. Bishop J. Peter Sartain of Joliet
55. Bishop John M. Smith of Trenton
56. Bishop Earl Boyea of Lansing
57. Bishop Leonard R. Blair of Toledo
58. Bishop Frances J. Dewane of Venice
59. Bishop W. Frances Malooly of Wilmington
60. Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison
61. Bishop John Yanta , retired, of Amarillo
62. Bishop James V. Johnston of Springfield-Cape Girardeau
63. Archbishop John Vlazny of Portland
64. Bishop Blase J. Cupich of Rapid City
65. Bishop Lawrence Brandt of Greensburg
66. Bishop Dennis M. Schnurr of Cincinatti
67. Bishop Larry Silva of Honolulu
68. Bishop Paul Swain of Sioux Falls
69. Bishop Michael J. Sheehan of Santa Fe
70. Bishop Eusebius Beltran of Oklahoma City
71. Bishop Kevin C. Rhoades of Harrisburg
72-94. Joint Statement by the bishops of New York State (22 bishops)
95-111. Joint Statement by the bishops of Pennsylvania (16 bishops)
112-116. Joint Statement by the bishops of Kansas (4 bishops)
117-126. Joint Statement by the bishops of Florida (9 bishops)
Added by me
 
127. Bishop Tobin -- http://www.catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=30333 ^
 
128. Archbishop Wilton Gregory  georgiabulletin.org ...
 
 
130. Archbishop Elden Curtiss Omaha http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2123119/posts?page=1
 
131. Bishop Carlson's of Michigan pastoral letter in full, go to:
http://www.saginaw.org/images/election-statement_carlson_102...

 

45 posted on 11/30/2008 5:19:38 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Anita1

**Fifty-four percent of Catholics voted for Obama**

This number was proved to be in error. Should have been 48 percent. I agree that 48 percent, nevertheless, is too much.

I think many Catholics fell into the same trap that many Protestants did — they wanted to vote for the first black President.

Let’s pray and hope that Obamanation is not qualified and the proof comes in by the time the Electoral College speaks.


46 posted on 11/30/2008 5:22:15 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Houghton M.
Father Illo can speak for himself.

http://www.stjmod.com/abortionletter.pdf

November 21, 2008
Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Dear Parishioners of St. Joseph’s,

Recently I said at Mass: “If you voted for a pro-abortion candidate on November 4, and you knew what you were doing, you need to go to confession before receiving communion.” Have I spoken out of turn? I will answer that question, as best as I can, at the end of this letter.

All Catholics have the grave obligation to defend every innocent human life, but in particular the poorest and neediest. Jesus said: “What you did to the least of my brothers and sisters, you did to me.” There are many kinds of poor in Stanislaus County. The homeless, the incarcerated, the elderly poor, the infirm and those in nursing homes all need our special love. I am privileged to pastor a parish that lovingly serves all of these types of needy people. But there is an entire class of Americans who are targeted for focused attack, a people with no rights, whose very lives are at the whim of judges and politicians. I of course speak about Americans before they are born. The abortion industry, and our legal system, refuses to recognize the humanity of the human fetus. But if a human fetus is not human, what is it?

We Catholics, and all people of good will and sound reason, must defend the lives of these poorest of the poor. Protecting unborn people from abortion is the defining issue of our time, as constantly clarified by our Church: “Among all the crimes which can be committed against life, procured abortion has characteristics making it particularly serious and deplorable,” wrote John Paul II in the Gospel of Life (1995). “Given such a grave situation, we need now more than ever to have the courage to look the truth in the eye and to call things by their proper name.”

Many Catholics voted for candidates on November 4 who stated clearly that they would promote abortion. President-elect Obama, for example, promised Planned Parenthood that the first thing he would do upon taking office is to sign the so-called “Freedom of Choice Act,” which would grant unlimited access to abortion in all 50 states up until the moment of live birth. Many Catholics voted for such pro-abortion candidates thinking that their good positions on other issues, such as the war or health care, outweighed their deplorable stand on abortion. Many discount “one-issue voting,” but if the issue is grave enough, no one would object to “one-issue voting.” For example, if the issue were legalizing slavery, no one would hesitate to vote against a candidate on this one issue. In fact, this election was a largely one-issue vote anyway, and that issue was the economy. What we Catholics, and all people of sound reason, must understand, is that a refusal to protect all human life is a deal-breaker. Abortion is a much graver issue than slavery.

My dear brothers and sisters, I know many were confused about the issues. It is a difficult time for us all, and we are facing new social and cultural issues. Neither have your pastors and bishops spoken clearly and with one voice on these issues. But one thing is clear and certain: we can never vote for a candidate who promises to promote abortion. No one who promotes the killing of unborn people can be entrusted with the public good. “The greatest destroyer of peace in the world today,” wrote Mother Teresa, “is abortion.” It is not the economy, war, health care, poverty, or terrorism. It is abortion. “Human life,” according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, “must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception....the inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of civil society and its legislation.” In other words, this is a civil rights issue, We have to speak for those who have no voice. We must demand honesty from our public officials, who are clearly dishonest when they pretend that the human fetus is not human.

If you are one of the 54% of Catholics who voted for a pro-abortion candidate, you were clear on his position, and you knew the gravity of the question, I urge you to go to confession before receiving communion. Don’t risk losing your state of grace by receiving sacrilegiously. I appeal to your conscience, grounded in Church teaching. To some degree we all have the blood of these children on our hands. I myself have confessed sacramentally, and I confess to you now, that I have not done enough to defend these children. Their blood is on my hands too. We will see them in the next life, and they will ask us why we let them die.

Pope Benedict wrote in 2004 (as Cardinal Ratzinger) that Catholic public officials who "consistently campaign and vote for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws" are guilty of grave evil. If they have been warned to abstain from Holy Communion and persist in promoting abortion, he wrote, “the minister of holy Communion must refuse to distribute it” to them. In 2002 he had written that “a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program … that contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals.”

If you voted for a pro-abortion candidate, I cannot say for certain if you should refrain from Holy Communion. I don’t know what you were thinking. But voting for a candidate who promises “abortion rights,” even if he promises every other good thing, is voting for abortion. It is a grave mistake, and probably a grave sin. No issue can compare with the legalized destruction of a mother’s child. I am writing to you because I love you and I care about your relationship with God. I am also writing because God requires this of me as a Catholic priest....

We do not have to settle for “pro-abortion” candidates. We can and must demand that our public officials protect the inalienable right of all Americans to live and flourish. If every Catholic in his district told Congressman Dennis Cardoza, for example, that we support him and most of his policies, but that we will not vote for him unless he defends all human life, he would change his position. All of us Catholics, all people of sound reason and good will, can and must simply require our public officials to act reasonably and responsibly in respect to human life.

If you need to go to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, our priests hear confessions on Fridays from 6:30-7:30pm, and Saturdays from 8:30-9:30am and 4-5pm. May God bless you, our families, our parish, and our nation.

Yours sincerely in Christ,

Fr. Joseph Illo
Pastor

IV. The Gravity of Sin: Mortal and Venial Sin

1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

47 posted on 11/30/2008 6:52:36 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: netmilsmom
penance
48 posted on 11/30/2008 6:54:51 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
“flailing” at your false theology!!

As defined by who, you? No thanks.

I'll bet you use an abridged and heavily edited version of Scripture, don't you?

49 posted on 11/30/2008 7:00:09 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

One too many ‘n’s?

Sorry, my mind was on both my 11 year old and myself lectoring at the 6:30pm Holy Mass.


50 posted on 11/30/2008 7:26:06 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Not only could voting For Obama Be a ‘Mortal Sin’ it's mortally STUPID.

0bama is not an American—not by citizenship, and especially not by fidelity and loyalty to the Constitution and founding principles.

"Abortion and euthanasia are crimes which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to “take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or vote for it” Pope John Paul II, The Gospel of Life, 1995 - section 73 (excerpt):
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031995_evangelium-vitae_en.html

Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD

Fight the Freedom of Choice Act (Unlimited Abortion) Sign the Fight FOCA Petition ASAP & Get Involved!!

51 posted on 11/30/2008 7:42:54 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Melian
Yes, the majority of Catholics voted for Obama,

We don't know that. We only know that a majority of those polled who claimed to be Catholic admitted voting for Obama. I would venture a guess that a quite sizable percentage of Catholics who were eligible to vote, along with a sizable plurality of the electorate, didn't vote at all, as is the usual case.

52 posted on 11/30/2008 7:54:20 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
It's a sign of the times when a priest has to write a lengthy and detailed letter to his parishioners “explaining” and “clarifying” otherwise clear and orthodox teaching he presented from the pulpit.

A priest almost has to have a canon lawyer go over his homilies these days, so as not to say anything that could be misconstrued by a timid bishop in bed with the Democratic Party. Best just to say something in general about religion and urge people to be nice to one another and the environment.
If he makes anyone in the pews the least bit uncomfortable by mentioning 'sin' or 'confession', he'll be called to the chancery office for a reprimand.

These bishops are going to have a hell of a lot of explaining to do at their particular judgments. (Pardon the pun).

53 posted on 11/30/2008 8:28:24 PM PST by Deo volente (On January 20, 2009 America moves to DEFCON 2.)
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To: cpforlife.org

Hello.


54 posted on 11/30/2008 9:51:08 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: fatima

Howdy.

Happy Advent to you and yours.


55 posted on 11/30/2008 10:26:38 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: olezip
Many Catholics are "basically good people" who cannot connect the dots. To them murder of children is nothing more than being "pro choice" and an issue that has been on the back burner for years. Their weak understanding of the economy is far more important as well as a myriad of other issues put forward by the Democrats that they like, especially entitlements.

They simply do not understand that they will perish if they do not take a stand in favor of the culture of life. A stand for life would force the Democrat Party to put forward candidates who support life. But greed, ignorance, and superstition takes over for them like other liberals with disordered minds.

Why don't you just come out and call us 'Papists'?
And your final sentence/second paragraph is laughable, as well as ignorant.

56 posted on 11/30/2008 10:32:09 PM PST by jla ("We much admire and wholeheartedly support Sarah Palin" --- T. Jefferson & R. Reagan)
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To: cpforlife.org

:)I kinda meant as in”Hello”to Mortal Sin.I am so mad at so many people I could Spit.:)Tell me not to quit.


57 posted on 11/30/2008 10:34:16 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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