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[Our man in washington]

One problem I have with the Multiverse theory is that not only is our Universe so tailored to life, it is also so simple.

If you halve the distance between two objects, you get four times the gravitational force and also four times the electromagnetic force. In one randomly created universe out of countless possibilities, wouldn’t we expect the relationships not to be so exact? Perhaps halving the distance would leave to 3.87234901 times the gravitational force or whatever. Why is the one universe conducive for life also the one universe that deals in these whole numbers?

It seems logical that a creator would want to keep the numerical set up simple.

[redpoll]

No confusion here. Science is the process by which human beings discover the majesty of God’s creation. Religion provides meaning for our place in that creation. One complements the other. The more we learn about the universe, the stronger my belief becomes. What could be more majestic than an infinitude of universes existing forever?

[Lancey Howard]

DC Comics came up with the multiverse theory 20 years ago:

[marron]

“I once predicted my own future. I had a very firm prediction. I knew that I was going to die in the hospital at the Academy of Sciences in Moscow near where I worked. I would go there for all my physical examinations. Once, when I had an ulcer, I was lying there in bed, thinking I knew this was the place where I was going to die. Why? Because I knew I would always be living in Russia. Moscow was the only place in Russia where I could do physics. This was the only hospital for the Academy of Sciences, and so on. It was quite completely predictable.

“Then I ended up in the United States. On one of my returns to Moscow, I looked at this hospital at the Academy of Sciences, and it was in ruins. There was a tree growing from the roof. And I looked at it and I thought, What can you predict? What can you know about the future?”

There are many possible universes. The decisions you make, and a million decisions by a million other people, shape the one that finally emerges.

[ari-freedom]

more junk science from the same people that gave us global warming.

[Cacique]

bump for later

[Grut]

Since our wills move the world (example: we talk about ‘will’, and speech is a physical process), the least-complicated assumption is that will moves the world in general. It’s interesting that science assumes people and matter are part of the same system but takes no lessons about that system from our experience of ourselves.

[sodpoodle]

That God......He’s still playing with ‘em & just stringin’ ‘em along;) If He keeps it up - they will eventually figure Him into the equation.

LOLOL!

[Rick_Michael]

Many of the most important scientific theories came from religious figures, so as far as I’m concerned real science and religion aren’t at odds.

[rogue yam]

I’ve got a Bible and about a hundred Sun Ra records.

I’m not sure I need a Royal Astronomer too.

[AndyTheBear]

I will grant that it might take a physicist to thoroughly understand what these guys are talking about...but it seems clear to us layman that the mechanism for this "research" is thought experiments rather than the scientific method.

I will give them credit for occasionally associating some new data to their models, but they are hardly the fulfillment of exclusive predictions, and making this a standard for establishing something as science would open a flood gate to accepting just about any speculation as science as well.

(and yes I have bounced this view off a physicist to see if my priories about this were accurate, and he admitted they were).

Ironic that naturalists take this singular instance to forget to apply their dismal misunderstanding of Ockham's Razor--where they senselessly dismiss competing views as being too complex.

[AndyTheBear]

Supporters of the multiverse theory say that critics are on the wrong side of history. “Throughout the history of science, the universe has always gotten bigger,” Carr says. “We’ve gone from geocentric to heliocentric to galactocentric. Then in the 1920s there was this huge shift when we realized that our galaxy wasn’t the universe. I just see this as one more step in the progression. Every time this expansion has occurred, the more conservative scientists have said, ‘This isn’t science.’ This is just the same process repeating itself.”

Ah, so bigger isn't merely always better...its also always more "scientific"...then I suppose the doctrine of transcendent God is the most scientific of all...and we just haven't realized it yet.

Even as somebody on the other side of the debate, the arguments used by naturalist are sometimes so dumb they embarrass me.

[Centurion2000]

Scientific method.

Observe
Hypothesis
TEST
Record results

These 'scientists' are just making crap up by this time. These 'ideas' are impossible to test. Ergo, mere speculation.

[mjp]

If you don’t want God, you’d better have a multiverse.

where did the natural laws that regulate the formation of the multiverse come from?

[wideminded]

Copyright 1973. (This theory was developed in the 1950's):

[uscabjd]

For multiverse to be a viable alternative to a Creator, there must be other universes ( there may be), AND there must be an infinite number of such multiverses b/c the odds ours is pure chance is one in trillions (probably more as there are fine tuned laws we don’t yet know of) so pure chance needs as many multiverses as there a possible combinations of laws, AND all the multiverses must have different laws produced by chance. What law says that there must be an infinite number of other universes - why not a billion or just 18 more? What law demands that all other universes be different - why can’t some be the same or just a little different?

Belief in something that REQUIRES me to disregard all known physical laws and cannot be proved or disproved exceeds my definition of blind faith.

[Jeff Gordon]

"“you might have to have a fine-tuner. If you don’t want God, you’d better have a multiverse.”

You better have a solution for something that might be?

I love the logic that comes out of the ID camp.

[ProtectOurFreedom]

The laws of my multiverse preclude the emergence of Marx, Engels, Stalin, Hitler and Obama. Maybe I’m in the wrong multiverse. How do I get over to the one where Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Hamilton and Franklin reside(d)?

[SuziQ]

Astrophysics Ping!