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RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA
drudgereport.com ^ | 11-25-08 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 11/25/2008 1:22:03 PM PST by prismsinc

A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

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To: RightWhale
No we don't. I like my Russian math teacher. And my Russian chem teacher.

They came as immigrants, not invaders, and if they did it as legally immigrants, welcome and dosvidonya to the land of the hamburger! We want all the immigrants we can get, as long as they can support themselves!

21 posted on 11/25/2008 1:39:53 PM PST by 50sDad (-/\/\/\- Obama's coming; be a Resistor!)
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To: Matt Hatter

Remember the book The Nine Nations of North America??


22 posted on 11/25/2008 1:40:06 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: babble-on

I think it’s just sour grapes considering what happened to the old USSR in the 90s.

Texas, New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona will secede and form the new nation of Texicozonarado. California and Nevada will leave and form Nevifornia.


23 posted on 11/25/2008 1:40:19 PM PST by West Texas Chuck (US out of the UN - UN out of the US)
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To: prismsinc

The article says (about the author) — “He even suggested that “we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all.” Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.”

Hmmmm..., what’s that about Alaska?

Taking a quick look at Wikipedia, we see this...


The Alaska Purchase (otherwise known as Seward’s Folly or Seward’s Icebox) by the United States from the Russian Empire occurred in 1867 at the behest of Secretary of State William Seward. The territory purchased was 586,412 square miles (1,518,800 km²) of the modern state of Alaska. The transfer of the Territory of Alaska in 1867 to the United States of America by Tsarist Russia, a transaction historically purported as an intrinsically legal sale, was claimed to be only a lease by Professor Igor Panarin, a leading Russian political analyst, in an interview with Izvestia published on Monday, November 24, 2008. The issue, however, is subsumed by the Doctrine of Laches: “Vigilantibus non dormientibus æquitas subvenit,” wherein Western courts of law going back to the Romans have consistently held that “equity aids the vigilant, not the negligent.” Russia might wish to unravel the Alaska sale, but the passing of 140 years before filing a valid claim in any legally recognized court is insufficient to avail itself in any court of law except a Muslim Sharia court under Koranic law. Until Russia adopts Sharia law under the Koran, it is doubtful that Professor Igor Panarin’s claim would be sustained by court in the West. Additionally, there is no mention of a time period nor a lease in the original treaty document in which Russia ceded the territory to the United States.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_purchase ]


It would seem that anyone stating the claim that Russia has only been leasing Alaska to the U.S. is “off his rocker”... And that definitely puts a large dent in his credibility regarding the rest of his statements about the U.S. (not that it was believable in the first place...).

Seems that he’s really engaged in “disinformation warfare” ... LOL...


24 posted on 11/25/2008 1:40:41 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: prismsinc
I guess Drudge decided to have fun a little. I find especially touching calling Izvestiya a respected newspaper.

The “theories” as such are staple of Russian nationalist agitprop; particularly they are produced en masse when Russia gets in bad shape, which is to say during 90 of each hundred years.

25 posted on 11/25/2008 1:40:53 PM PST by alecqss
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To: LibFreeUSA

When Mexico takes us over, here in Reconquista, where will all the illegals then go? Will they head over to Indian Country or maybe trek all the way to Liberal Land, where the handouts are better? Just wondering.


26 posted on 11/25/2008 1:40:59 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: chrisser

No debt...to speak of. In comparison to what we have now...


27 posted on 11/25/2008 1:42:56 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Matt Hatter

When reading the details, I thought this guy was back in the 19th century. The regions of our great Republic are not nearly as homogeneous as this Russian assumes them to be.

To be honest with you, what really stood out was the claim on Russia - this could be made without the collapse of the lower 48. It would only require a ridiculously weak and limp wristed US government more concerned with social engineering and advancing a Socialist agenda and retaining power for the ruling party than national security combined with an increasingly aggressive Russia... Wait a minute, isn’t that the road we are on right now?


28 posted on 11/25/2008 1:44:28 PM PST by GodBlessAmericaKD (Who is John Galt?)
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To: RoseofTexas
I think Oklahoma clearly wants to join us, and although we don't like them very much during football season up there, they certainly demonstrated on Nov. 4 that they've had it with liberals. I'm ready, where do I sign the secession papers?


29 posted on 11/25/2008 1:49:19 PM PST by erkyl (The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, stay neutral)
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To: Matt Hatter

guy’s theory of what these six parts will look

He’s RIGHT ON about TEXAS!! No brag, just fact.


30 posted on 11/25/2008 1:50:56 PM PST by dusttoyou (First they steal our savings, then our liberty)
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To: Creek Injun
Actually the break up should be in two parts, IF the country goes significantly downhill. And to make it fair, divide them by Red and Blue states. The south, Midwest, and Alaska have all of the oil, many safe ports, water, and most of the food sources. Let the blue states deal with their own problems. Share funding of a military, roads, energy, water, and communications, and let the individual states dictate their own rights.

The new Republic from Florida to Alaska could be a great country using our same Constitution. Let the other country with New York and California make up a new one, since they don't want the one we have. Cali has enough arable land to feed everyone. Beef is bad for the environment so they don't really need any of that. They could have all the wind farms they wanted, even though the Midwest is the best place for that. And we could have our Nuclear plants.
Then we could SELL our resources and be paid for our hard work to the other country who is full of uneducated inept people. Now thats Utopia!

31 posted on 11/25/2008 1:53:25 PM PST by ritewingwarrior (Just say No.)
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To: 50sDad

Russia wanted to sell Alaska, the question being which power would buy it. They had a choice of England, Spain, and USA and chose to sell to USA as the up and coming power in the northwest. There is still a lot of Russia in Alaska so if it were sold back it wouldn’t be a big change except the resources would be developed. Sdrasvuiche tovarisch.


32 posted on 11/25/2008 1:53:40 PM PST by RightWhale (Exxon Suxx)
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To: prismsinc
Drudge is highlighting this garbage but ignoring the analysis of Obama’s Selective Service Registration and COLB??? I've been going to Drudge less and less.
33 posted on 11/25/2008 1:55:08 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: West Texas Chuck

Not hardly! We may take em over, but it’ll still be TEXAS.


34 posted on 11/25/2008 1:55:37 PM PST by dusttoyou (First they steal our savings, then our liberty)
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To: erkyl
OOOOO I like that...

Where did you find this?

35 posted on 11/25/2008 1:55:59 PM PST by RoseofTexas (God sees all and none will escape His judgment!)
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To: erkyl
Texas... the only state that was a country first!

"Texans have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.” Texas Constitution - Article 1- Section 2

"Whenever any form of government is destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government in such form as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness.” Declaration of Independence, 1776

36 posted on 11/25/2008 1:57:20 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Way to go BARNEY!! Barney for White House Press Secretary.)
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To: prismsinc

Putin has said we are going down as well. I wonder why leaders in hostile countries all over the world think the USA is going down? What I see is a trillion dollars in foreign investment being sucked out of third world countries including Russia, and being put into the safety of US bonds. What I see is the IMF claiming they have loaned 50 Billion dollars of their 250 Billon dollar reserve in the last 2 weeks, to help third world central banks deal with the out flow of money from their economies. What I see is a Russian stock market that has been falling so fast that over the last 2 months it has spent more time closed than open.
Finally, what I see is an attempt to increase the perceived risk of US failure, to stop or at least slow the disinvestment in Russia and other third world economies.


37 posted on 11/25/2008 1:57:45 PM PST by Eagle74 (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots)
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To: prismsinc
Collapse no. Break up...maybe that would be a good thing:

The GOP leaning states could just secede from the union. Maybe we could let western Canada join us since they are more conservative. Then we could let the leftist states in the northeast grow their own food, build their own cars, drill their own oil, mine their own coal, etc., plus they could have unlimited legal and illegal immigration and socialized everything.

The only problem is, we would probably have to declare war on California and conquer it so we could have good seaports...other than that there should be no real problems.

38 posted on 11/25/2008 1:59:15 PM PST by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: prismsinc
I often wondered where Baghdad Bob went to.

America is going down, mark my words. Nothing to see here.

39 posted on 11/25/2008 2:05:10 PM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: Proud2BeRight

I’m with you on that. It’s been a tough road for right this go ‘round.....


40 posted on 11/25/2008 2:05:19 PM PST by prismsinc (AIP works for ME!!!!)
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