Constitutional crisis looming over Obama's birth location

World Net Daily ^ | 11/14/08 | Bob Unruh

[solfour]

The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.

The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.

WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.

The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.

[freepersup]

A title researcher would have to conform to the following criteria in legally accessing Obama’s BC.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/elig_vrcc.html

From the Hawaiian Department of Health website:

Who is Eligible to Apply for Certified Copies of Vital Records?

A certified copy of a vital record (birth, death, marriage, or divorce certificate) is issued only to an applicant who has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons are considered to have such an interest:

*the registrant (the person whom the record is concerned with);
*the registrant’s spouse;
*the registrant’s parent(s);
*a descendant of the registrant (e.g., a child or grandchild);
*a person having a common ancestor with the registrant (e.g., a sibling, grandparent, aunt/uncle, or cousin);
*a legal guardian of the registrant;
*a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
*a personal representative of the registrant’s estate;
*a person whose right to obtain a copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
*adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents;
*a person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;
*a person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and
*a person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

If you are not able to establish a direct and tangible interest in the record, you are ineligible and will not be issued a certified copy of the record.

Upon request, a letter of verification attesting to the existence of a requested record on file with the Department of Health may be issued. Instructions for applying for letters of verification are included in the next section and immediately follow the set of instructions on applying for certified copies. The same eligibility requirements apply for both ceritified copies and verification letters.

A search of the records on file with the Department of Health will only be conducted to process an application requesting either a certified copy or a letter of verification. If the search establishes that the requested record is not on file, you will be notified that no record has been found. No searches of the records on file with the Department of Health will be conducted prior to or outside of the receipt of an application and payment of fees.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/elig_vrcc.html

[freepersup]

Looks like a bumpy ride ahead. ;o)

[seekthetruth]

Did you hear about any decision being made in reference to Andy Martin’s case in HI? Last I heard the decision is still pending according to a thread here on FR.

[seekthetruth]

I found the thread concerning Andy Martin’s case:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2134526/posts

FROM THE THREAD:
“A Honolulu circuit judge heard vigorous arguments in the lawsuit filed by Obama author Andy Martin. Martin is seeking access to Barack Obama’s original, typewritten 1961 birth certificate. The judge reserved judgment.”

[freepersup]

I wonder if the judge is taking a wait and see approach because of the potential USSC case, before ruling on Martin’s case, seeing how they are at ground zero?

The number of Presidential ‘eligibility’ threads, here at FR grows exponentially. I cannot begin to keep up. I have wandered over to the 6,000+ post thread, a time or two. I have kept to this thread for the most part, due to the time invested in reading the thing from start to finish. The Keyes-Kreep-Orly case, being the original topic, has suffered at the hands of the Leo Donofrio case, primarily due to the numerous interviews of Donofrio, and because of the success in reaching the USSC.

The sheer volume of cases in the public courts is stunning, no, the lack of press is stunning.

[seekthetruth]

I believe what Donafrio said about the Keyes case is correct. He said that Keyes based his whole case on Obama’s birth certificate and doubt as to whether he was born in HI. Donafrio said if Obama does end up showing an original birth certificate showing he was born in HI, that Keyes case could end right there. The point being, the fact that Obama was a British citizen at birth is the issue due to his father being from Kenya and Kenya was under British rule at the time of Obama’s birth.

Donafrio even advised the Keyes attorney to expand his case to include that “British citizen at birth” issue to make his case stronger.

[freepersup]

I've missed a couple of the Donofrio interviews...

I'm currently listening to the first (of two) Donofrio interviews from last night. This one is with Bob Vernon on Plains Radio. Bob Vernon needs to back off the mic or cell phone a bit. His voice is distorted and annoying when listened to for an extended period of time.

I managed to catch the Donofrio interview from late last night with Lan Lamphere at Overnight AM, as it was broadcast in real time.

[Lmo56]

“So is Bobby Jindal a natural born citizen? “

Per the 14th Amendment, Jindal is a “citizen”. Don’t know why they DID NOT include the phrase “natural born” ...

However, per the Founding Fathers’ original intent and referencing Blackstone’s Commentaries on English Common Law (the leading authoritarian reference of their time), YES - Jindal is a natural born citizen (Blackstone, Book 1, Chapter 10).

A “Citizen”, being born in the U.S., EXACTLY fits the definition of “natural born” subject in Blackstone. And thus, also in the 14th Amendment.

[seekthetruth]

“I managed to catch the Donofrio interview from late last night with Lan Lamphere at Overnight AM, as it was broadcast in real time.”

I did too. Loved hearing what Lan said about his conversation with someone from Fox and how he told him he wasn’t interested in going on Fox! He did a nice job of telling Fox they certainly don’t cover news that matters!

[freepersup]

Lan earned my respect with the Fox refusal. The nuggets of Donofrio’s interviews, when combined, make a treasure chest full of riches. I suspect that some of Donofrio’s detractors haven't taken the time to listen to him. Berg, Martin, Keyes, Donofrio, etc., are all catching he!! right here at FR... hmmm...

[seekthetruth]

“Lan earned my respect with the Fox refusal. The nuggets of Donofrio’s interviews, when combined, make a treasure chest full of riches. I suspect that some of Donofrio’s detractors haven’t taken the time to listen to him. Berg, Martin, Keyes, Donofrio, etc., are all catching he!! right here at FR... hmmm...”

Yes, the detractors do need to listen to Donafrio’s interviews and read his suit filed because on the 4th the nine Supreme Court Justices will be reading and discussing it before they vote! The four I am counting on to vote to hear the whole case are Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, and Justice Souter. If not Justice Souter, whom do you think would join the other three in voting the right way to uphold the Constitution?

[seekthetruth]

“Lan earned my respect with the Fox refusal. The nuggets of Donofrio’s interviews, when combined, make a treasure chest full of riches. I suspect that some of Donofrio’s detractors haven’t taken the time to listen to him. Berg, Martin, Keyes, Donofrio, etc., are all catching he!! right here at FR... hmmm...”

Yes, the detractors do need to listen to Donafrio’s interviews and read his suit filed because on the 5th the nine Supreme Court Justices will be reading and discussing it before they vote! The four I am counting on to vote to hear the whole case are Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Thomas, Justice Alito, and Justice Souter. If not Justice Souter, whom do you think would join the other three in voting the right way to uphold the Constitution?

[itsahoot]

The Senate only went through that nonsense because of Obama not McCain.

Did I say anything that would make you believe that I disagreed with that? Clearly it was a ploy by the Obamites.

[Flamenco Lady]

Based on Donofrio’s explanation and what I was taught, Bobby Jindal would not be considered a natural born citizen either.

I think it is clear by the fact that people even here of FR have different interpretations as to what determines a person to be “natural born” it is time for the Supreme Court to rule on this. I think Donofrio'a suit is quite timely and it is all the more imperative that the Supreme Court take this case and make a ruling on it.

I would hope that since Donofrio’s case relies on an interpretation of what that term means, that they would rule in a manner that would thereafter make it perfectly clear as to what the term “natural born” means.

[Terabitten]

Roger Calero has gotten his name on the ballot in several states despite being an admitted non citizen in two presidential elections so far.

It's an interesting quirk of constitutional law. The Constitution doesn't forbid, say, a 21 year old felon from Argentina from *running* for office, they simply can't *hold* office. Now, since the latter obviously follows from the former, you'd think that there would be a requirement to prove that you meet the Constitutional requirements when filing to run, but there isn't.

[cripplecreek]

It's an interesting quirk of constitutional law. The Constitution doesn't forbid, say, a 21 year old felon from Argentina from *running* for office, they simply can't *hold* office.

True. I think it's a result of the constution being written at a time when people were generally assumed to be honest or it was believed that no one who couldn't hold office would try. It does need to be fixed.

If Roger Calero's history were unknown and he won the general election, I wonder if so many would be willing to give him a pass.

[freepersup]

Scalia.
Scalia, Thomas, Alito & Roberts.

The Justices' Conference Room, where the Justices meet to discuss cases heard before the Court.

[seekthetruth]

Yes, Justice Scalia would be one of the four for sure! Thanks for posting the picture. Looks like a lovely room to think on important matters. And in my opinion this matter will be the most important one they will have dealt with in my lifetime, other than the abortion issue!

[Lmo56]

“The Justices’ Conference Room, where the Justices meet to discuss cases heard before the Court.”

So, who gets the “weenie chair” - Breyer, Ginsberg, Souter, Stevens, or ... WAIT FOR IT ... Kennedy?

[freepersup]

I count 8 high back swivel chairs and one low back fixed chair. The Chief Justice seat is assuredly the high back swivel chair at the end of the table. In reading, the junior justice is tasked with responsibilities involving the entrance doors’ security, and tasking the clerks outside the room with necessary duties as needed. I suppose the fixed chair makes the most sense for rising and sitting, especially if it's done frequently.

One learned Freeper gives the case a 10% chance of acceptance. What is your take on it's survival in the conference room? I'll go out on a limb... I think it's chance of moving on in the process is better than 50%.