Posted on 11/14/2008 7:05:09 PM PST by solfour
The California secretary of state should refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until President-elect Barack Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office, alleges a California court petition filed on behalf of former presidential candidate Alan Keyes and others.
The legal action today is just the latest is a series of challenges, some of which have gone as high as the U.S. Supreme Court, over the issue of Obama's status as a "natural-born citizen," a requirement set by the U.S. Constitution.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi even traveled to Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions.
The biggest question is why Obama, if a Hawaii birth certificate exists, simply hasn't ordered it made available to settle the rumors.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
Exciting evening for such key actors to be speaking to us... let us in on what’s transpiring on the show you’ll be listening in on, OK?
Leo is a patriot, with a warrior’s heart!
To hear him describe that, it
sounds very conspiratorial .. and
much too ‘across the aisle’ crap
for me.
That he is ... God bless him.
Truly: country first.
Sorry my link didn’t work. Apparently you have to do the search yourself on Thomas for it to come up. Here is the link to the Thomas website http://thomas.loc.gov/
I just typed in the words natural born and three versions of S. Res. 511 came up and one version of S. 2678. From there you can click on the links and read or print a copy of the legislation.
What did he say about it? Judicial malfeasance? Judicial misconduct? Leo said he would file charges against the clerk.
Leo is being an equal opportunist by going after McCain and Colera (?) too... I have no problem with this approach...
If it’s as stubborn the negligence
that he’s describing, he needs to.
That’s outrageous!
Was that what he said would be treason ?
Show the long form vaulted birth certificate! Obama* claims that he wants to woo over all of us bitter folks and that he wants to be our president too. Show it! Unvault the thing and be done with it!
Treason directed at the actor himself, for foisting the sham onto the nation... Bold... Brave...
Conceived and executed by whom?
BO? The clerk?
I’m waiting for Fox News to report something. Right now they have Ayers on defending himself as the good guy to an audience clapping in approval.
Saying that when Palin and McCain mentioned his name their poll numbers dropped. A tribute to common sense he says.
It looks like the article from February was taken down. It worked for me earlier this morning, so I assumed it was still up. Sorry about the link everyone.
Can’t keep it coming in on my computer. When I sign on it comes through for about 20 seconds and then breaks up and finally can not hear a thing. Wish there was something I can do but can’t find a good link for the “overnight AM” program on line. :(
Leo is providing a great civics lesson... I'm warming up to Ed Hale... I'm sorry Ed, I was wrong to beat up on your slow opening...
You gotta read your Constitution more carefully ... ain’t NO such provision for objections to candidates - ONLY objections.
Here ARE the RELEVANT parts of Constitution:
Article. II. Section 1:
“... Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
(The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.) (This clause in parentheses was superseded by the 12th Amendment.) ...”
Amendment 12 - Choosing the President, Vice-President:
“The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;
The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.
The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.”.
HOWEVER:
Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 18 - Powers of Congress:
“... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”.
SO, we NEED to examine Federal Election Law, passed by Congress, in support of Article I, Section 8, Paragraph 18:
Congress has established Title 3, Chapter 1 (62 Stat. 672, as amended). Specifically, the argument lies in Section 15.
It provides for objections to the electoral voting process by members of Congress. But, IT DOES NOT enumerate WHAT the objections may be. It IS a way to disqualify electoral votes, but NOT necessarily the ONLY way. Also, it does NOT address the issue of a candidate’s eligibility verification, nor does it state that Congress has the SOLE power to raise objections and/or verify eligibility.
Does this law preclude eligibility verification of candidates by the people? It ONLY mentions “objections” by Congress - nothing else. It makes NO mention of disqualification of candidates.
“Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.”
My understanding was that Leo was speaking to the ‘abuse’ of the Constitution by BHO personally, and considered it treason since the actor had full knowledge of his actions, and by willfully ignoring the damage that it would bring upon the nation... did I get Leo’s words right?
Ed Hale is interviewing Leo Donofrio .. NOW. Click LISTEN .. top left.
LD is truly a great American patriot.
He’s going into the natural born citizenship
issue in great constitutional detail.
BTW, he says that McCain was NOT legally
eligible to be President ... both sides
covered up both issues .. even in 2004.
Ed Hale gave Justice Thomas’s fax # ... said we
should flood his fax ..!! It’s really important.
LD won’t .. WILL NOT .. encourage ANYONE to
write or fax or do anything on his behalf.
Not his style.
HERE’S JUSTICE THOMAS’ FAX #: 202-479-2971
Ed says it’s wise to put the Case/Docket # -
which I don’t have. We’ll have to look that up.
Again: HERE’S JUSTICE THOMAS’ FAX #: 202-479-2971
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Hale says the program will be on their site later.
I’ll be looking for it and post it.
Your dismissal of me is duly acknowledged!
Isn’t he fantastic??
He’s really hitting the nail on the
head about the 2 parties being the
same, and that we’re losing our
country.
God bless us all.
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