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1 posted on 11/09/2008 11:36:20 AM PST by WilliamReading
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Academia, the unions, Hollywood and the MSM all campaignining (free) for Obama didn’t help either.


54 posted on 11/09/2008 11:59:55 AM PST by umgud (In a crisis, dump gold, buy lead)
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56 posted on 11/09/2008 12:00:22 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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We lost because of the economy — the “undecideds” and “independents” voted their short-term pocketbook interests.

We lost because America continues “Slouching Towards Gomorrah”.

We lost because we nominated McCain.


57 posted on 11/09/2008 12:00:27 PM PST by AngrySpud (Sarah Palin, my sister in Christ.)
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no Republican stood much of a chance in the 2008 election with voters overwhelmingly blaming President George Bush and the GOP for the nation's problems

The problem is with the preception.

The corrected version should be:
no Republican [from inside the beltway] stood much of a chance in the 2008 election with voters overwhelmingly blaming President George Bush and the GOP for the nation's problems
That is precisely why Senators should not be presidential candidates.


59 posted on 11/09/2008 12:01:17 PM PST by TomGuy
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HA! Big tenters try to CYA....no thanks, not buying it.


63 posted on 11/09/2008 12:02:44 PM PST by Khepri (NEO-STALIN FASCIST DEFEATS NEO-LIBERAL MAOIST!! How's that working for yah?)
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“Suspending his campaign” for one day, during the financial crisis travesty didn’t help any.

I think this move was partly motivated in part by some “country first” notion, and I think also in part it was to be coupled by leading a counter-insurgency movement against the bailout being stuffed down our throats.

So it was flawed conceptually, and even beyond that, it was flawed in how it was carried out.

The other major flaw was obviously keeping Sarah under wraps for the first 6 weeks or so, letting the opposition define her, and then turning her loose the the drivebys.

I swear the republicans always play like either the team that went up against the Harlem Globetrotters, or like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football.

McCain could also have made an issue of Card Check, which would be a clear winner among the vast number of Americans, but he completely ignored that one.

Stupid Party, does it again.


69 posted on 11/09/2008 12:05:55 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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Republican U.S. Sen. John McCain lost his bid for the White House mainly because anti-incumbent fury doomed him from the start, analysts say.

Mmmm, don't forget that he was the Democrats' and MSM's pick for The GOP. That's what doomed his candidacy.

71 posted on 11/09/2008 12:07:34 PM PST by E. Cartman (Will Bush, Bernanke or Paulson let Uncle Sam handle their personal wealth?)
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Speaking of Bush-bashing, the people need to be reconnected with the intentions of the Founders as reflected by the Constitution. The people need to get up to speed with the idea that so-called constitutional expert Socialist Obama has actually based many of his campaign promises on constitutionally non-existent federal government powers, much federal spending these days having no constitutional authorization. In fact, constitutional statutes that Obama and the Democrats have been in contempt of where constitutionally unauthorized federal spending is concerned are the following, in my opinion.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution (emphasis added) in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


74 posted on 11/09/2008 12:10:16 PM PST by Amendment10
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McCain lost because of the MSM which started campaigning for the Democratic Party right after GWB won his second term.
For four years the MSM have been condemning the war-editorializing rather than reporting about it. On the gloomy economy, they have been reporting on its outcome but not the cause of it which is the Democratic Party.


77 posted on 11/09/2008 12:11:12 PM PST by citizencon
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They didn't run a conservative, just someone far more conservative than the Democrat.

When two Democrat types are up for a vote, almost always the real Democrat wins.

The lessons of running toward moderates and liberals by the Republican party needs to be put to rest.
They need to run conservatives and prevent sabotage in our primaries by letting only Republicans vote for Republicans in primaries where they have a choice.

That's how I see it.

78 posted on 11/09/2008 12:11:16 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Rasmussen was dead on with his polling. He said some of his internals showed McCain leading Obama on things like the economy, and leadership, but the people polled were still going to vote for Obama.
Rasmussen said on Hannity’s radio show that there wasn’t anything McCain could say or do, that people were going to vote Obama. Ras even called the percentages dead on at the end.
Damn.

In the end, with all the analysis, McCain probably came as close as any Republican could come to winning this year.
The Republicans and Bush defeated themselves by becoming “Democrat lite.”
I don’t think the public was interested in hearing about how radical or left wing Obama was...they were like, “Whatever, we don’t want another Republican in power for another 4-8 years because the economy sucks. Obama is new and young. CHANGE.”
bleh

Maybe Obama’s inexperience even worked FOR him, he wasn’t seen as someone in DC forever and therefore he was the “outsider.”


80 posted on 11/09/2008 12:11:22 PM PST by snarkytart
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Many reasons for the loss.
First the REP Party let the DEMS choose who we got. (Close ALL Primaries to REP ONLY).
Second: Bush didn't use the Bully Pulpit to defend himself. He should have been speaking daily informing the public. He choose to remain silent.
Third: We had a looser canidate who had no clue how to debate or to answer questions.
For those of you that think he was some kind of a hero!
PLEASE. Yes, he served our country. Many of US served. Getting captured does not make you a hero. Please visit Vietnam Vets against John McCain. Then tell me he is a hero. Read everything.
81 posted on 11/09/2008 12:11:37 PM PST by DeaconRed (I WANT MY CHANGE - - - - NOW----- NOT TOMORROW ---- NOW)
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One thing to remember in all this: THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY HARD FEELINGS AGAINST THE INCUMBENT PARTY IF NOT FOR THE MSM!
84 posted on 11/09/2008 12:13:15 PM PST by pctech
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If he was doomed from the start, then why did he and Palin lead in the polls right after the Pubbie convention? If it was fated to be a Dem year, then why didn’t Obama-Biden have a crushing lead from the start? It was only until the financial crash did Obama overtake McCain.


85 posted on 11/09/2008 12:13:26 PM PST by driftless2
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My take on it is that the seeds for the Republican defeat were planted immediately after the 2004 Presidential election, when Bush (as head of the party) ceased caring about the GOP and went about trying to figure out how to fix the mess in Iraq and secure his own legacy.

Indeed, since he never had to face re-election again, he couldn't have cared less about 2008 and made no moves to prepare the GOP for big fight with the Rats that lay ahead. Instead, he appointed his hack buddy Mel Martinez as the RNC chairman, and gleefully spent ALL of political capital (and then some) on trying to shove Amnesty down our throats. McCain was complicit in this and forever became associated with Bush.

In the meantime, the Republican national network withered on the vine, while the Rats ramped up their Soro-backed grass roots organizations and began to tear us apart on the streets.

So here we are...

89 posted on 11/09/2008 12:15:22 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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anti Bush “Fury” ?? Electorial “Landslide” ? ? Nah...

That’s not Reality, Several States were 51-49, 52-48, and a 50-50 thrown in there. Given an Economic “Bomb” 1 month out from the Nov. 4th vote, it was HOPE and CHANGE that squeaked out an Advantage.

McCain was going to be easy to beat, until he picked up Palin, and then it was going to be a battle until the “Bailout” hit.

Obama collected 600 Million for his Campaign, Had/still has the MSM on his Personal Press Secretarial Staff, and Obama did not win by a “Pelosi Landslide” ?

And the same number of voters showed up in 2008 as there were voting in 2004.

Obama’s Tax policies will Sink the Dems over time, and it won’t take that long. And by the WAY, Obama does NOT have the Experience to Govern, he does not have ANY Economic Experience (unless you count spending Grants) and he Owes all those Big $$$ Donors lots of Favors.

Prepare for a Short honeymoon. Unless...Unless....Obama can Learn how to say DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW....then I could be president as we become Energy independent.


91 posted on 11/09/2008 12:16:06 PM PST by 4Speed
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I agree if you factor in the Sept economic collapse. I think it was near impossible to win. Without that, the GOP had a shot, but as an underdog. Events had actually been in our favor for awhile this year as the GOP was able to make a nice case on energy / drilling, the war was better, and the economy never did go into negative growth.

A good campaign would have made it close, and the issue of Obama’s leftwing-ness would have been a bigger issue. As it was, that never even was in the discussion.


93 posted on 11/09/2008 12:17:03 PM PST by ilgipper
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Yes a very good analysis and some excellent comments. But I think that there are a number of other factors involved.

1. The Dumbing down of the American Public via the Public Schools (and some private) continues at a furious pace.

2. The entitlement mentality. A huge percentage of the American Population expects "goodies" from the Federal Government. Put succinctly , the number of people who consume wealth is exceeding the number of people who produce wealth.

3. The entertainment mentality. Look when a substantial number of people get their political commentary from "The Daily Show", Colbert, and Oprah you know we are in trouble. This is really a part of the dumbing down.

4. The MSM. A complete total and utter DISGRACE. They were in the tank for Obama from the start.

5. Third World Immigration The newly minted citizen starting since 1965 are voting just the way I expected them. Democratic. This group of people have an entitlement mentality. Just because they were fleeing oppression overseas or want a better standard of living doesn't mean they know what it takes to be a citizen of a democratic republic and the inherent responsibilities this entails.
107 posted on 11/09/2008 12:22:31 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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I disagree. what killed him was the media. Ronald Reagan would not have stood a chance with that kind of one-sided, overtly campaigning for Obama, refusing to do any investigative journalism at all, letting him sake on every, single issue. Giving him a "Get out of Jam" free card for Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Saul Ailinsky, Tony Rezko Rashid Khalidi, Auchi, George Soros, and the rest of his Rogue's Gallery. The media was not just "in the tank for Obama -- they were all in bed with him from the begiging. The incessant fawning over him at every turn.

Negative commentary was suppressed as well. Think about all of the allegedly independent surveys conducted under the guise of "nonpartisan political polling."

That, coupled with the never-ending character assassinations of McCain and especially Sarah Palin, while looking the other way on every transgression committed by Obama and his bulldog Biden.

The apoligetic MSM never once brought themselves to actually deconstruct anything that Obama was saying. They made purses out of all Obama's pig ears. The Palestinians in Gaza had more of an open election than we had.

While the reports of voter fraud, voter intimidation, and underhanded dealing were swirling around, the media was clearing the way for the Obama steamroller to flatten all opponents in his path.

We watch TV shows like "24," "Numbers," "Prison Break," "the Unit," and others that we have come to view as fiction, not realizing that what was happening in rwal life was stranger and more ominous than any TV series could ever concoct ot of their creative minds.

Eisenhower would also have been flattened, just as Reagan would have been.

The media gave a little wink in response to the enormity of the campaign contributions OBama received. They collected more money than the GNP of many third-world countries!

In that pot, at the end of the Socialist rainbow, was $63 million and change (that we know about) from foreign investors, primarily from the Middle East.

Now, everybody and his mother are playing, "Monday Morning Quarterback," first blaming the quarterback, then the backup, then the Offensive coordinator, then the Defense Coordinator, and then the fans themselves. Never mindful that the opposing team had pulled a Bill Belichek and stolen their playbook.

In this election, the Campaign and their obedient puppy dogs were playing the "Race Card" more than American voters played the lotterhy.

Never have I seen a bigger bunch of lazy, good-for-nothing journalists than what I saw in this electon -- with the lone exception of reports who parrot the Palestinian media.

Laziness is what drove the media into waiting arms of virulent, pro-Obama "fact-checking" sites like Factcheck and Politifact. When they were not, outright lying their butts off, they were blowing out of proportion anything and everything related to McCain and Palin.

Just as they did whenever any attacks took place in Israel, the Media took the wrong side of the conflict, communing with terrorists, and all-too-happy to act as their shills for passing along propaganda.

What they did to Sarah Palin was unconscionable. They strung her up by her heels for spending $150,000 on clothes while Obama spent $800,000 of taxpayer money on airfare alone for his personal trips to Hawaii.

Not to mention the $millions of taxpayer dollars spent to give him Secret Service protection, earliar than any candidate in the history of our country.

At every single interview with Obama and Biden, the MSM tossed fluffy balls of cotton candy in contrast to the bricks and bombs they lobbed at Palin and McCain.

There were so many letdowns and put-downs that, if were not for the blogsphere, nobody would know anything remotely related to the Truth.

Thank God for the blogsphere.

The GOP should have rallied around their candidate instead of bitching and moaning about McCain. What? Are there too many wusses in the party who think that McCain could not be given any guidance? Did they really feel that McCain would run the whole show without any commitments to his own party?

The GOP abandoned him, letting him twist slowly in the wind, because he was not conservative enough, not not pro-family enough, not anti-environmental enough, and so on.

How could they allow their opponent to waltz into the White House virtually uncontested? Why weren't all these "Not tested" ads run in the first two weeks of the campaign, rather than last two weeks of the campaign?

People in glass houses should not throw stones, unless they've got a friend in the home improvement industry.

114 posted on 11/09/2008 12:32:18 PM PST by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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because anti-incumbent fury

IF there was anti-imcumbent fury the house would have changed, but it didn't.

FWIW, the DBM SELECTED Obama, and some of us blindly followed him into SOCIALISM!!

120 posted on 11/09/2008 12:40:24 PM PST by FreeAmerica2009
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