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On Concerns Over Gun Control, Gun Sales Are Up
NY Times ^ | November 7, 2008 | KIRK JOHNSON

Posted on 11/07/2008 9:04:28 AM PST by neverdem

DENVER — Sales of handguns, rifles and ammunition have surged in the last week, according to gun store owners around the nation who describe a wave of buyers concerned that an Obama administration will curtail their right to bear arms.

“He’s a gun-snatcher,” said Jim Pruett, owner of Jim Pruett’s Guns and Ammo in northwest Houston, which was packed with shoppers on Thursday.

“He wants to take our guns from us and create a socialist society policed by his own police force,” added Mr. Pruett, a former radio personality, of President-elect Barack Obama.

Mr. Pruett said that sales last Saturday, just before Election Day, ran about seven times higher than a typical good Saturday.

A spot check by reporters in four other states easily found Mr. Pruett’s comments echoed from both sides of the counter.

David Nelson, a co-owner of Montana Ordnance & Supply in Missoula, Mont., said his buyers were “awake and aware and see a dangerous trend.”

Mr. Nelson said sales at his store had risen about 30 percent since Mr. Obama declared his candidacy. “People are concerned about overreaching legislation from Washington,” he said. “They are educating themselves on the Internet.”

In Colorado, would-be gun buyers set a one-day record last Saturday with the highest number of background check requests in a 24-hour period, according to figures from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation.

“We’re not really sure who is promoting the concept that a change in federal administrations might affect firearms possession rights,” said an agency spokesman, Lance Clem...

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What is clear is that every gun seller — not to mention every advocacy group for gun ownership that depends on dues-paying members — has an incentive to stoke the concern that can prompt a gun sale. Political uncertainty, gun dealers say, is great for business...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
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To: bolobaby

“If anyone has a recommendation for a fairly inexpensive but decent red dot sight, let me know.”

The absolute bullet-proof, non-parallax choice among uber-cheap red dots is the Millett SP1 or SP2. I’ve searched gun forums and never found anyone saying bad things about them.

At midlevel prices (several hundred dollars) you have the Aimpoint and Eotech, both with their fanboys. The Eotech has better short range acquisition and field-of-view. The Aimpoint is almost indestructable and the battery basically lasts forever (you can leave it on all the time and its duration is measured in years).

Above that, in price and quality, is the Trijicon ACOG.

Another possible choice for a light-use rifle is the Bushnell Holosight. It is a cheaper Eotech variant, but without the armored hood.


41 posted on 11/07/2008 10:08:32 AM PST by Rinnwald (On our side? Six hundred million screaming Chinamen)
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To: Abundy

Can someone tell me what the gun show loophole is?? I have been to one gun show. As I recall, they did background checks there just like at the stores? Appreciate the info...


42 posted on 11/07/2008 10:11:23 AM PST by housewife101
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To: neverdem
Democrats fired back all over the country, with mail campaigns in many states with fliers stating flatly that as president, Mr. Obama would respect an individual’s right to own guns.

Carefully parsed as usual. You can own them, you just can't buy or sell them or the ammunition for them. And Lord help you if you should actually shoot them.

The reporter at the Times appears baffled at the lack of trust on the issue, ascribing it as usual to paranoia or ill education on the part of firearms owners. It isn't, it's having been burnt before. Most of us recall Clinton's earnest promises "nobody is talking about taking anyone's guns away" just before he passed the AWB.

This is one of those major cultural disconnects between the urban media and the firearms owners, and it leads to the suspicion either that they're stupid or they think we are. "We respect your right to keep and bear arms" is not the same statement as "We respect your right to keep and bear only the arms we'll allow and only under the conditions we'll allow." It is the latter that constitutes the working premise for Democratic gun control policies.

The reporter appears not to understand this distinction, but it accounts for nearly all the mistrust on the issue. The mistrust is merited because it has been earned. This is not really difficult to understand.

43 posted on 11/07/2008 10:16:20 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: bolobaby
"Bought a Sig Sauer 556 last night."

Nice choice, bolo. I'm a Sig girl--am loving my P232 .380, and P226 9MM. Sig will not disappoint.

Last week picked up a RRA AR-15 before the gun police come. Happy shooting, bolo.

44 posted on 11/07/2008 10:19:43 AM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: housewife101

it is a figment of media’s imagination.

like ‘cop-killer’ bullets were and that Glocks would all pass through airport metal detectors.


45 posted on 11/07/2008 10:21:03 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: oneolcop

I am buying a Mossberg 590 SPX.


46 posted on 11/07/2008 10:23:54 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Rinnwald; andy58-in-nh; Armedanddangerous; jeffers; oneolcop

Thanks for your input.

Here’s a question that has been nagging at me: I’ve lso been considering picking of the stock Sig Holo Sight. Problem is, every time I look at it, I suspect it is just a cheapo BSA or similar with the Sig name stamped on it.

Anyone know if my suspicions are correct?


47 posted on 11/07/2008 10:25:26 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: SVTCobra03

I meant Mossberg 930 SPX.


48 posted on 11/07/2008 10:28:35 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: housewife101

Can someone tell me what the gun show loophole is?


To the gun grabbers, it is the notion that citizens can gather, meet each other, and buy and sell guns among themselves without government approval. Some states make this illegal already. Many don’t.

In those that don’t, the reality is that all sales by dealers (FFLs) require a background check, and those by private parties (who couldn’t get an FFL if they tried) are not. Those rules apply everywhere, whether at gun shows, parking lots, private homes, guns stores. The requirement for a background check is solely based on who is selling not on where the sale takes place.

There is arguably a private seller “loophole” (if you must) in these free states, but no :gun show loophole.”

Here’s the most important thing. This is a good time to SELL “papered” semi-autos (bought through a dealer) in a private sale. And buy replacements in private sales.


49 posted on 11/07/2008 10:34:49 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Politicians, like diapers, should be changed often. And for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: TChris
From "Change.gov", the official transition website. Agenda tab and then select "urban policy" and go down to "Crime Control".

Address Gun Violence in Cities:
As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets.

50 posted on 11/07/2008 10:39:34 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: housewife101
Can someone tell me what the gun show loophole is??

There is no "gun show loophole". What the gun grabbers mean is 'private sales'.

That's the 'loophole' and that's what they want to outlaw. They want to stop "Joe" from selling his gun to "John".

51 posted on 11/07/2008 11:01:21 AM PST by Condor51 (Obama believes in Saul Alinsky. I believe in Sun Tzu.)
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To: Abundy
From his new website:

That's a .gov site. You and I are paying for it.

52 posted on 11/07/2008 11:07:11 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: telebob
I wasn't aware of that and I live in Ca. Sure you aren't thinking about the AW registration that occured in 2000? No weapons were confiscated as I recall, only required to be registered. Some did, some didn't.

CA had a buyback program for non-compliant SKS's. You had to turn it in or it had to be compliant........ non-removable mags, etc. They actually paid $230 for them, but they also would be confiscated if not turned in. I was the 1st in my county to turn mine in for the $230. I paid just over a hundred for it and didn't much care for it anyway.

53 posted on 11/07/2008 11:22:33 AM PST by umgud (In a crisis, dump gold, buy lead)
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To: IYAS9YAS

The “wasp waist” of the XDm handgrip won’t work for the .45 cartridge, not without a big magazine redesign. On top of which, the XD and XDm magazines aren’t interchangable anyway. I’ll stick with the standard XD, thanks - especially since we’re almost certainly going to be going back to mandatory 10 round magazines in the near future.


54 posted on 11/07/2008 11:24:39 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: telebob

Google for “California SKS confiscations” - they actually DID go door to door for a short while.


55 posted on 11/07/2008 11:27:23 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Miss Behave

Don’t forget to buy 10 or 20 magazines for every weapon you have that uses them. There may be no more in the near future, and magazines do wear out with time.


56 posted on 11/07/2008 11:32:01 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Syntyr
As a left-handed person, I cannot utilize a bullpup-style design because the brass tends to hit me in the face. Last time I tried, at a shooting range in the mountains above Santa Cruz, CA (La Honda Rod and Gun Club is the name IIRC) the expelled, hot brass split my lip open! Thus, I will stick to the tried and true mini gun:

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57 posted on 11/07/2008 11:33:25 AM PST by I Buried My Guns
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To: I Buried My Guns

Thats the good thing about the PS90. Brass ejects straight down.

Now given the choice I would love to have the Mini Gun!


58 posted on 11/07/2008 11:36:55 AM PST by Syntyr (Voss and Woodway 77057)
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To: I Buried My Guns

Look at the FS2000, also from FN, or the KelTec RFB Bullpup. They both push brass out the front of the rifle via a soft-eject system, so it doesn’t matter whether you’re left or right handed and nobody will ever be pelted by brass from your weapon. They also don’t damage the brass, so you can reload the brass again, unlike a lot of rifles.


59 posted on 11/07/2008 11:41:53 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr
Great idea, Spktyr. They're on my list now--with priority. Thanks.

And thread bump.

60 posted on 11/07/2008 11:48:18 AM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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