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Huh? Someone please explain this nonsense to me.
1 posted on 10/30/2008 7:20:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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I have been trying to better understand this for some time. It would seem the 20 and 30 somethings (post-moderns) don’t believe in Truth with a capital “T.” Therefore, you can have “your own truth” concerning abortion and sexual lifestyle.

Also, they confuse what individuals should prctice with what government should do in the areas of “giving.” They see Democrats/Obama as loving the poor and hating war. This works for them.

I think the schools and society have done a better job of teaching Truth than the Church. I hope we can turn that around.


117 posted on 10/30/2008 8:42:49 PM PDT by maebe
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Despite Barack Obama's approval of abortion and homosexual activism, new polling by a prestigious Christian research group indicates that the Democratic presidential nominee is making significant inroads among voters who are classified as "born-again" Christians.

I have preached from the pulpit myself that there are many people out there who CLAIM to be Christian - even "Born Again" Christians, who are not. False conversions happen on a regular basis. Add to that the growth of some rather theologically "loose" preachers and churches, and it is no wonder.

Anyone who believes the Bible is true, cannot possibly vote for anyone who favors abortion on demand

Matthew 7:21-27
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

119 posted on 10/30/2008 8:45:23 PM PDT by TheBattman (Why do we still see "donate" auto-posts on EVERY STINKING THREAD??!!!!!!!)
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HORSEFEATHERS!!!
120 posted on 10/30/2008 8:47:27 PM PDT by JDoutrider (Pray for our Nation! Stop the big Zero!)
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The people they are polling are not born again Christians, they need to get their heads examined.


123 posted on 10/30/2008 9:01:47 PM PDT by TheEaglehasLanded
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hahahahahahahahahaha...

yeah, and I date ten super models!?


126 posted on 10/30/2008 9:27:53 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "Senator Government" is here)
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Not buying it.

Barack Obama is Christian in claim only. When was he baptized? He’s proud of his skepticism of organized religion (which he got from his agnostic, near unitarian, mother). He does not believe that Jesus is the only way to salvation. He believes that sin is determined by going agaisnt his own value system. He looks on Jesus as a “historical figure”.


127 posted on 10/30/2008 9:30:29 PM PDT by weegee (Global Climate Change? Fight Global Socialist CHANGE. vote NO on Obama-Biden.)
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Typo in the title.

It should end with the phrase:

"...NOT!"

Cheers!

129 posted on 10/30/2008 9:38:02 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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“Born again Christian”

Is there any other kind? “Except a man be born again.....


130 posted on 10/30/2008 9:46:05 PM PDT by MP5SD
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the handful of Christians I’ve seen with Obama are the ones who think the Bible is optional.

in all seriousness

my wife and i just had a long talk with our pro-life sitter and she said more young folks dislike Obama than the media thinks

and she voted..

my normally kumbaya oldest daughter allowed me to buy her vote for a Burberry quilted jacket but has since determined on her own i was right and has offered to actually pay me back...incredible


132 posted on 10/30/2008 9:51:28 PM PDT by wardaddy (Lee Atwater where are you when we need you? many kids here don't remember you alas)
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Huh? Someone please explain this nonsense to me.

Many people who claim they are Christians are on their way to Hell. These people are claiming they are born again Christians, but they're not. They are deceived. Obviously, they have never committed their lives to Jesus Christ, or they would never be able to vote for Obama because he goes against everything that Jesus has warned us about.

When we are born again, we are supposed to "come away from our sins." Sure people will still sin, but the difference is that when people are truly born again, they stumble and fall into sin again, but the Holy Spirit convicts them and they come right back and repent. There is a huge difference in falling or stumbling into sin, and living in sin.

In Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus is obviously talking to people who thought they were Christians on their way to Heaven, and this is what He told them.

21 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"
23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

It is as though people believe that all they have to do is recite a few choice words and then poof, they're born again. The mentality of these people is, Hey, I can do whatever I want -- all the fornicating I want, all the lying I want, all the cheating I want, break all of the commandments I want. Why? Because I said the magic words, and now, I'm born again.

Being born again is not just having an emotional moment when the preacher gives the altar call. Being saved is not just lifting up your hand at your buddy's funeral when you are feeling your own immortality. Being born again is not something you get as though you can pick up a quart of "saved" from the corner market and then just go home and store it away on a shelf for emergency use only.

How can they say, "Jesus, come into my life and be my Savior and Lord," or whatever the words were, and then continue on willfully living a life of sinful rebellion? If they have zero interest in pleasing the Lord, following the Lord's commands, learning of the Lord, or turning from their sins, they are probably not born again.

That may be more than you wanted to know. LOL

134 posted on 10/30/2008 10:46:20 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (FAITH IS DARING THE SOUL TO GO BEYOND WHAT THE EYES CAN SEE.)
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Meantime, Barna says 63 percent of "evangelicals" are supporting McCain, while 23 percent are supporting Obama

You have to remember that a very large percentage of BLACK BAPTISTS are backing The evil, man-child Marxist.

NON-BLACK "evangelicals" support is extremely lite.

136 posted on 10/31/2008 2:40:53 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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The father of deception will - alas - deceive even those who should know better.


142 posted on 10/31/2008 6:56:17 AM PDT by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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“Even the very elect.”


148 posted on 10/31/2008 7:12:02 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All; Quix; DarthVader; Marysecretary

The “christians” (sic) who vote for Obama have the same mindset as the ones who will accept the mark of the beast.

Foolishness.

http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/markbeas.htm

The Mark Of The Beast (666)

Rapture info

According to the Scriptures, the “mark of the beast” is received on the right hand or forehead. With modern technology, it is very possible that this mark may be directly linked with a computer chip. But regardless if it is or isn’t, everyone who is living immediately before the return of Christ will be forced to take this mark in order to buy or sell anything:

“He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666” (Rev. 13:16-18).

But this mark, which will be universally issued around the entire world, MUST NOT be received under any circumstances, even by Christians! Scripture goes on to say:

“A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: ‘If ANYONE worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of THE SAINTS who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus’ “ (Rev. 14:9-12).

As the mark will definitely be issued one day, as Scripture declares, the eternal destiny for all who receive that mark will also be in accordance with Scripture! Do not be deceived about this. If you are a Christian, you MUST NOT take this mark or you, too, will miss the kingdom of God and suffer eternal torment over this single act of disobedience, according to Scripture! If the popular teaching of eternal security (also known as the perseverance of the saints) was true, Rev. 14:9-12 would be an impossibility! So don’t be deceived by the teaching of eternal security. You must endure to the end to be saved (Matt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11).

The people who make the eternal mistake of receiving the mark and worshiping the beast and/or his image will be deceived by accompanying miraculous signs and wonders:

“But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur” (Rev. 19:20).

“And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed” (Rev 13:13-15).

“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness” (2 Thess. 2:9-12).

Those who refuse to receive the mark of the beast and worship his image are referred to in the following passage. These are the same ones who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus:

“I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years” (Rev. 20:4-6).

Please notice, the “first resurrection” will not occur until the mark of the beast is made available! The first resurrection is for those who have done good and will rise to live, as opposed to those who have done evil and will rise to be condemned (Jn. 5:29). YOU WILL NOT ESCAPE A PERSONAL DECISION REGARDING THE MARK OF THE BEAST THROUGH A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE. Regarding “that day” or “our being gathered to him” (2 Thess. 2:1), the Bible says:

“Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction” (2 Thess. 2:3).

Those who remain faithful to the Lord Jesus will refuse this mark, but will be beheaded as a result. This same fate for the God fearing who endure to the end is also mentioned in the following passage with another possibility for “the saints”:

“He was given power to make war against THE SAINTS and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast — all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. He who has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of THE SAINTS” (Rev. 13:7-10).

Dear reader, if you die in the Lord as a consequence of refusing the mark of the beast, please realize that you will immediately be in the presence of the Lord in “Paradise” (Lk. 23:43).

Regarding physical death for a Christian, Paul wrote:

“We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord” (2 Cor. 5:8).

“For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far” (Phil. 1:21,23).

REGARDLESS WHAT HAPPENS, DO NOT TAKE THE MARK! There will be many who will accept it at this time. Great pressure will be on you also to conform to their example. Miracles from satanic power will deceive many into taking the mark. YOU MUST REMAIN TRUE TO GOD, EVEN IF YOU GET BEHEADED OR GO INTO CAPTIVITY AS A CONSEQUENCE. YOUR ETERNAL DESTINY HANGS IN THE BALANCE with this single act, if we are the last generation. Pass this vital information on to other people with whom you are acquainted. If we are the last generation, this could be the most important message they will ever learn. It may make the difference in where they will spend all of eternity.

“They overcame him [the devil] by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death” (Rev. 12:11). “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matt. 10:28).


154 posted on 10/31/2008 8:18:37 AM PDT by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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God is not pleased. They will be sorry they did this, I’m sure. He wants to give us His choice and the people choose a Saul instead. Nothing new under the sun, is there?


157 posted on 10/31/2008 8:28:00 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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LOL!

Can’t.

It’s nonsense.


181 posted on 10/31/2008 9:30:29 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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For the last 9 years, we have had an electrician (who attends our old church) perform work for us. He's expensive, but does very good work. On his last visit he said he's voting for Obama. We were shocked. He said: "I know it seems strange for a Christian to vote for Obama, but I am".

He also said his wife thinks Palin should stay home and take care of her children.

We've occasionally questioned his Christianity but now won't be using his services anymore as claiming to be a Christian and voting for Obama are, in our opinion, completely inconsistent with each other. BTW, he's black, which is the only reason we believe he's voting for Obama.

189 posted on 10/31/2008 10:55:28 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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They are liberals who call themselves Christian, but if informed they can not be Christians at all.

#1 Thou shall not covet thy neighbors good. (Spread the wealth)

#2 Being in a church that hates white guys and Jews violates (Thou shall not have false gods before me).

They have to be people who are brain dead and not Christians.


193 posted on 10/31/2008 5:26:36 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Maybe they are like the Christian Democrat movement in Europe?

Or, maybe they are just stoopid.

I dunno...


209 posted on 11/02/2008 1:50:48 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (John McCain - Tortured by Communists - - -Barak Obama - Tutored by Communists)
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Everything is suspect these days but if you consider that many black-Americans may call themselves born-again that would bump up the percentage of “born-again” Obama supporters considerably. Also, wet-behind-the-ears young people are especially vulnerable to the romanticism of liberalism. I too was a liberal till I was about 27, then I turned conservative with a vengeance.


214 posted on 05/18/2009 6:27:23 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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