Posted on 10/30/2008 7:20:52 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Despite Barack Obama's approval of abortion and homosexual activism, new polling by a prestigious Christian research group indicates that the Democratic presidential nominee is making significant inroads among voters who are classified as "born-again" Christians.
The Barna Group for research says Obama is statistically tied (43 percent to 45 percent) with Republican John McCain among born-again Christian voters. "Born-again Christians" are defined by Barna as people who say they have made a personal commitment to Jesus and believe they will go to heaven because they have confessed their sins and accepted Jesus Christ as their savior. Based on that definition, 48 percent of all voters in this election will be "born-again" Christians.
Meantime, Barna says 63 percent of "evangelicals" are supporting McCain, while 23 percent are supporting Obama. "Evangelicals" meet the "born-again" criteria, plus seven other conditions, including the belief that salvation is only possible through grace, not works.
According to Dave Kinnaman, president of The Barna Group, born-again Christians voting for Obama say they are backing the Illinois senator because they believe he will do a better job restoring America's reputation and handling the economy and agree with his stance on the Iraq War.
"People in their 20s or 30s who are born-again Christian are more likely to support Senator Obama than Senator McCain, compared to people who are older born-again Christians, who are more likely to support the Arizona senator," he explains. "So, when you look at it, it's a pretty complex set of reasons, and each person comes to this voting decision with their own unique sensibility, but what's interesting is the Christian community, compared to previous elections, is more open to this Democratic candidate than we've seen in at least the last couple national elections."
Kinnaman says it is important to keep in mind that only one in every ten voters is an evangelical Christian with a biblical worldview and understanding of what it means to be a follower of Christ.
Another translation for the Greek word for "murder" is "take innocent life". How can anybody doubt that abortion takes an innocent life (thus breaking the 6th commandment) while capital punishment does not?
The father of deception will - alas - deceive even those who should know better.
There’s huge support for Obama coming from the “emergent” church. Speaking to a few, they think Obama’s cool and layed-back and not stuffy like typical presidential types. They said that supporting Obama will show they’re part of the world and can interact more with the world. Wow. Deep, huh? Yep, I want a president who’s **cool**. Not. I want a president who can lead our country with strength, wisdom, ethics and honor. Obama aint that.
It's not only in California. I live in SC and send my children to a Christian private school. The other day I was in the parking lot, waiting for my son, when I saw another parent carrying Obama yard signs in his car. He parked next to me, so I rolled down the window and turned up the volume of the radio as I listened to Rush. You should have seen how fast he moved to another parking spot. But it left me depressed. How can anybody pay tuition at a Christian private school and vote for Obama?
Quite a few born-again and traditional Catholics are voting against the one too.
The “emergent church” is a heresy, straight from the Lord of Lies.
Actually, it is you who is malinformed.
Minimal biblical study - which apparently you have not done - shows that there are direct contradictions in the Biblical commentary on the death penalty.
Genesis 4:11-15 makes it clear that excommunication is the right penalty - equivalent to life in prison.
Genesis 9:6 implies that the death penalty is the correct solution.
So how do we resolve this? 1 Corinthians 5:7 tells us the way. It says to toss out the old laws when they’re contradictory and stand by the words of Jesus.
Then we have Matthew 5:38-39, where Jesus speaks: “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
Jesus tells us that murder should not be met with murder. I think I’ll stick with Jesus on that one - I tend to trust Jesus more than your blasphemy.
“Even the very elect.”
“How can anybody pay tuition at a Christian private school and vote for Obama?”
People like this try to serve two masters and they are on the slippery slope of hating one and loving the other. Unfortunately people like this man you talk about have chosen to hate God and His commandments. If I was there I would have administered a warning. Read Psalm 50 & 75 as they are very relevant to what we are seeing going on and the course of action that God is embarking upon with these people. They are going to get a good solid well-deserved dose of Hebrews 12 on their lives.
You’re absolutely right, MrB. Further, I believe it is the greatest threat to the true church.
Actually there's no contradiction at all. A great event separates Gen 4 and Gen 9, namely the Great Flood. At that point a new dispensation began, some "rules of engagement" were modified (as in allowing the eating the flesh of animals). Because of the depravity of man, God allowed capital punishment under certain circumstances. For instance, it is not acceptable punishment for killing an animal (v.5) but it is in the case of killing a man (v.6).
Your advice to omega4179 is good, more biblical study. So now, go and do likewise!
I don't want anyone cool either. I'm ashamed of those people. What dorks.
The “christians” (sic) who vote for Obama have the same mindset as the ones who will accept the mark of the beast.
Foolishness.
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/markbeas.htm
The Mark Of The Beast (666)
Rapture info
According to the Scriptures, the “mark of the beast” is received on the right hand or forehead. With modern technology, it is very possible that this mark may be directly linked with a computer chip. But regardless if it is or isn’t, everyone who is living immediately before the return of Christ will be forced to take this mark in order to buy or sell anything:
“He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666” (Rev. 13:16-18).
But this mark, which will be universally issued around the entire world, MUST NOT be received under any circumstances, even by Christians! Scripture goes on to say:
“A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: ‘If ANYONE worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of THE SAINTS who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus’ “ (Rev. 14:9-12).
As the mark will definitely be issued one day, as Scripture declares, the eternal destiny for all who receive that mark will also be in accordance with Scripture! Do not be deceived about this. If you are a Christian, you MUST NOT take this mark or you, too, will miss the kingdom of God and suffer eternal torment over this single act of disobedience, according to Scripture! If the popular teaching of eternal security (also known as the perseverance of the saints) was true, Rev. 14:9-12 would be an impossibility! So don’t be deceived by the teaching of eternal security. You must endure to the end to be saved (Matt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11).
The people who make the eternal mistake of receiving the mark and worshiping the beast and/or his image will be deceived by accompanying miraculous signs and wonders:
“But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur” (Rev. 19:20).
“And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed” (Rev 13:13-15).
“The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness” (2 Thess. 2:9-12).
Those who refuse to receive the mark of the beast and worship his image are referred to in the following passage. These are the same ones who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus:
“I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years” (Rev. 20:4-6).
Please notice, the “first resurrection” will not occur until the mark of the beast is made available! The first resurrection is for those who have done good and will rise to live, as opposed to those who have done evil and will rise to be condemned (Jn. 5:29). YOU WILL NOT ESCAPE A PERSONAL DECISION REGARDING THE MARK OF THE BEAST THROUGH A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE. Regarding “that day” or “our being gathered to him” (2 Thess. 2:1), the Bible says:
“Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction” (2 Thess. 2:3).
Those who remain faithful to the Lord Jesus will refuse this mark, but will be beheaded as a result. This same fate for the God fearing who endure to the end is also mentioned in the following passage with another possibility for “the saints”:
“He was given power to make war against THE SAINTS and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast — all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world. He who has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of THE SAINTS” (Rev. 13:7-10).
Dear reader, if you die in the Lord as a consequence of refusing the mark of the beast, please realize that you will immediately be in the presence of the Lord in “Paradise” (Lk. 23:43).
Regarding physical death for a Christian, Paul wrote:
“We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord” (2 Cor. 5:8).
“For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far” (Phil. 1:21,23).
REGARDLESS WHAT HAPPENS, DO NOT TAKE THE MARK! There will be many who will accept it at this time. Great pressure will be on you also to conform to their example. Miracles from satanic power will deceive many into taking the mark. YOU MUST REMAIN TRUE TO GOD, EVEN IF YOU GET BEHEADED OR GO INTO CAPTIVITY AS A CONSEQUENCE. YOUR ETERNAL DESTINY HANGS IN THE BALANCE with this single act, if we are the last generation. Pass this vital information on to other people with whom you are acquainted. If we are the last generation, this could be the most important message they will ever learn. It may make the difference in where they will spend all of eternity.
“They overcame him [the devil] by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death” (Rev. 12:11). “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matt. 10:28).
Have you ever actually read Genesis? Why not start in verse 9? And the LORD said unto Cain, "Where is Abel thy brother?" And he (Cain) said, "I know not: (liar) Am I my brother's keeper?" (liberalism in its base form)
Genesis 4:10 And He said, (This HE already knew what had happened) "What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto ME from the ground.
Even in Genesis 'blood' represents life and that life was crying to the LORD.
Genesis 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
verse 12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shall thou be in the earth."
13 And Cain said unto the LORD, "My punishment is greater than I can bear.
14 Behold, Thou has driving me out this day from the face of the earth; and from Thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth, and it shall come to pass that every one that findeth me shall slay me."
(interesting isn't it that if there was still only Adam and Eve in the whole of this earth that Cain would be worried about *every one*, not mommy and daddy finding him, so who else was Cain talking about?)
15 And the LORD said unto him, "Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, (now who else was around to slay him but mommy and daddy if there was only two people upon the earth?) vengeance shall be taken upon him sevenfold." And the LORD set a *mark* upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. (Wonder what that 'mark' literally was?)
16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. (Nod means wandering... and or land of the Nomads. Hmmmmm there was already a land of wanders and yet some people claim that Adam and Eve were the first and yet only Cain at this point is the only other recorded being on the earth....
Who is missing in Genesis 5?
The notion regarding contradictions is total and complete donkey droppings as the law of thou shalt not commit premeditated homicide had not yet been given thus Cain could not be held to account for breaking what had not yet been given with the death penalty. Yet he was cursed.
It’s not like they’re not stupid or something.
God is not pleased. They will be sorry they did this, I’m sure. He wants to give us His choice and the people choose a Saul instead. Nothing new under the sun, is there?
Very true!!
I have a good friend who is born again and HE is voting for Obama. I called him on it and he hasn’t been very happy with me. I hope it hasn’t destroyed a good friendship but I had to speak out.
No, I don’t think it is BS. One of my dear friends who is a born again Christian is voting for Obama and he is NOT happy with me because I called him on it asking how a born again Christian can vote for a man who wants to steal your money and kill your babies.
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