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9 PM Eastern: St. Louis Vice Presidential Debate Live Thread
c-span.org ^ | October 2, 2008

Posted on 10/02/2008 1:48:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Okay, folks. Let's keep an eye on this debate and see if Sarah can beat down hairplug.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008debates; 2008veep; biden; debates; election; electionpresident; elections; gaffemachine; jumpingthegun; mccainpalin; palin; palinattacks; palinping; palinpraise; sarahpalin; vpdebate; whenbidenspeakszz; whenbidenspeakszzzz
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To: CommieCutter

Sarah won on points tonight and she certainly was the more calm and upbeat of the two of them. Biden looked stiff, out of place and at times angry. Anyone notice him digging at his neck? She got under his skin and she had him pinned against the ropes on more than one occasion.

We all know how the MSM and focus groups will spin this but Sarah did very well for her first national debate against someone like Biden.


2,401 posted on 10/02/2008 7:39:43 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: NoLibZone

Andrea, “she came with a game plan and stuck to it, but she did not answer the questions, no one challeneged her.”


2,402 posted on 10/02/2008 7:39:43 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Lipstick wearing Okie Moosehead!)
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To: sonic109

I hate to say it but I agree. I know that not being a cheerleader means being called a troll or whatever, but I’m just calling like I see it. She needed to knock this out of the park, and she had many, many chances to do it tonight, but she failed to do so.

Again, I hope I am wrong, but I think that she needed to do more than just not mess up tonight.


2,403 posted on 10/02/2008 7:39:48 PM PDT by frankiep (Every socialist is a disguised dictator - Ludwig von Mises)
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To: mylife

I am pleased that Gwen did such an even-handed job tonight, and - understanding how much she is emotionally invested in the Obama campaign - I appreciate it.

Great job, Sarah! I’m thrilled!!


2,404 posted on 10/02/2008 7:39:48 PM PDT by dandelion
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To: Cheetahcat

Yeah, this may be the only debate I remember where one participant got a rebuttal for > 50% of the questions. Hell, he got a rebuttal for ~ 75% of the questions.


2,405 posted on 10/02/2008 7:39:48 PM PDT by manapua
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To: weegee

He probably hangs out with the Illegals outside Home Depot.


2,406 posted on 10/02/2008 7:39:52 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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Joe Biden looked like he is ill/in pain

Sarah Palin was excellent-on her game & very sharp.

The moderator was very good I thought.
Fair & didn't play gotcha games.
Thank you moderator
2,407 posted on 10/02/2008 7:39:56 PM PDT by novemberslady
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To: psugrad98

HA HA!!

THE FOX PANEL THINKS PALIN WON!!!

WAAAHOOOO!!


2,408 posted on 10/02/2008 7:39:57 PM PDT by KansasGirl (READ MY LIPSTICK!!!)
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To: The Citizen Soldier
I am no conspiracy theorist, but I’m absolutely convinced that Biden has been fed the questions. He is answering before Ifill even finishes. Not spontaneously, but very scripted.

It was obvious from the beginning. He gave too many details.

2,409 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:02 PM PDT by fellowpatriot
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To: BurbankKarl
Why is Biden looking down during these answers?

Because his debate coaches know that the less people see of his botoxed face the better :)

2,410 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:02 PM PDT by silent_jonny (it's O-ver)
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To: retrokitten

I wonder if they’ll go after Biden calling them “Bosniacs”, like they went after Bush for calling Greeks, “Grecians”?


2,411 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:02 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Shermy
“She had a chance with global warming...and missed that too.”

She can’t.

McCain believes in AGW and cap and trade. Big time.

You know, my response on the Man-Made Global Warming Hoax is to point out that several planets/ moons in the Solar System have evidence of mounting temperatures. So how many SUVs are in operation on Mars?????

Even before I learned the preceding, my first reaction to Global Warming was to ask if the Sun was causing it by changing its behavior. After all, it is the biggest source of heat for the Earth.

2,412 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:05 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: Shortstop7

Wow, Sarah was just awesome. This is the Sarah we have been waiting for.


2,413 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:05 PM PDT by rintense (Palin 2012 for President!)
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To: psugrad98

Don’t watch MSNBC if you want to stroke out. Matthews and Andrea Mitchell are ripping her apart. Matthews is lying his fat butt off and interpreting Sarah’s responses in the most ludicrous way.


2,414 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:10 PM PDT by AnnGora (I am unique. Just like everybody else.)
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To: All

NBC just said that Palin did well ... but missed the name of a general (still a great review).


2,415 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:15 PM PDT by MathDoc (Obama: "end the war" ... or McCain/Palin: "win the war" ... easy choice)
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To: waxer1

Yes, didn’t we all. :)


2,416 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:18 PM PDT by They'reGone2000 (Lose the Zero. Get with the Hero. McCain.)
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To: ntnychik; devolve

Thanks nit. It’s over and she did GREAT!! I am so happy. I had to turn off my computer so I could just concentrate on the debate. Sarah is even being praised on CNN!!

Biden looked sooooo OLD! Too many face lifts, like Pelosi, lol.


2,417 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:19 PM PDT by potlatch ("OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE REMAIN SILENT ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MATTER")
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To: airborne

Might be a fixed fight but Palin just kicked old Joe ‘s ass.

What a relief!!!!!


2,418 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:24 PM PDT by blueheron2 (Our mama can whip your Obama)
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To: mrs9x; All

The OFFICIAL Daily KOS Reaction, from the head moonbat, HIMSELF!

He HAS to be getting a headache from spinning this hard!!!
Sadly, if KOS says it, it will be IMMEDIATELY parrotted as the Media’s action line.

by kos
Thu Oct 02, 2008 at 10:36:10 PM EDT
Sarah Palin won! Actually, she survived, since she had no “deer in headlight” moments. Of course, it’s easy to do that when you say, straight up, that you won’t answer any questions you don’t like. And in true to her word, she tossed aside any question that might prove problematic (like Biden’s questions on McCain’s support for deregulation) to discuss whatever talking points she had memorized.

And really, Palin was like one of those dolls where you pull the string, and some pre-recorded message comes out. Pull string, “They hate our freedoms!” Pull string, “Obama will raise taxes!” Pull string, “Drill, baby, drill!” It was tiresome and, frankly, a little boring.

Joe Biden obviously knows his shit. That was never in doubt, and nothing Biden did changes that perception. In fact, he even had a little of fun showmanship to spice up his answers, like his mocking of McCain’s refusal to meet with Spain. And his takedown of McCain’s “maverick” status was simply sublime.

So who won? Who cares. Nothing happened to change the dynamics of this race. Palin proved that she’s still unable to answer the questions posed to her, but she also didn’t fall flat on her face. And in the ridiculously depressed expectations for the governor of Alaska, she didn’t crash and burn. But she didn’t need to maintain the status quo. That’s toxic territory for her. She needed to prove that she could get beyond pre-packaged talking points to demonstrating some capacity for analytical thought. In that regard, she failed.

On the merits, Biden won easy. On the things that debates are scored on, it was a draw. And for us Democrats, that’s the same as victory.

And one more note — Gwen Ifil was excellent. Like Lehrer, I forgot she was on stage, and that’s the way moderators should be.


2,419 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:24 PM PDT by tcrlaf (SARAH PALIN-The American Everywoman (Yes, You Really CAN!))
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

Biden looked like a dirty old man. After the debate ended he went over to Sarah and was rubbing her arm, Sarah’s daughter came over and his hands were all over her shoulders. I found that bad form and quite frankly disgusting.
Sarah did FANTASTIC and the talking heads now on Fox are all saying Sarah did very well! Yeah


2,420 posted on 10/02/2008 7:40:28 PM PDT by mojo114
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