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Bailout Falling Apart; House Repubs Not On Board
Fox News | 9/28/08

Posted on 09/28/2008 10:58:56 AM PDT by pabianice

Now on Fox: Pelosi twisting arms to get Repubs on board bailout bill; much push-back. Pelosi will not let this pass without Repubs on board in case it blows-up and Repubs can pin it on Dems. Race to complete before Asian markets open. The Adventure Continues...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; bailout; banking; corruption; democrats; elections; fanniemae; gop; pelosispolitburo
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To: FreeReign

Does anyone know where the actual text of the bill is? All I can find are the talking points on Wall Street Journal.


201 posted on 09/28/2008 11:50:58 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: marsh2

But you get a tax refund and earned income credit that is more than the taxes you paid in.


202 posted on 09/28/2008 11:51:05 AM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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To: KansasGirl
Watching FOX is like watching a weekend long Obama commercial.

Yep, FOX has officially glued their lips to Obama's ass.

203 posted on 09/28/2008 11:51:08 AM PDT by CatOwner
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To: pabianice

Let the Asian markets collapse.

I don’t care about anyone else’s economy.

America’s is the only one that matters, and ANY socialist bailout is a BAD IDEA, period.

Regardless of any “pain” some may have to endure.

And don’t give me this globalist crap. My concerns end at the border.


204 posted on 09/28/2008 11:51:12 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: John W

‘Electronically’ he [Obama] has the votes. So he probably is acting as CIC. The DOJ never finished cleaning up the voter fraud they were tasked with. See this link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1800101/posts
Attorney firings had genesis in White House (serving at the pleasure of the President)

Excerpt:

The White House suggested two years ago that the Justice Department fire all 93 U.S. attorneys, a proposal that eventually resulted in the dismissals of eight prosecutors last year, according to e-mails and internal documents that the administration will provide to Congress today.

The dismissals took place after President Bush told Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales that he had received complaints that some prosecutors had not energetically pursued voter-fraud investigations, according to White House spokeswoman Dana Perino.

/excerpt

And Obama has the electronic votes from the affordable housing fraud through ACORN and the vote from abroad initiative, see:

http://www.democratsabroad.org

This is probably why Obama was so comfortable with the Logan’s Act violation telling Iraq that the treaties won’t be honored under his administration.


205 posted on 09/28/2008 11:51:25 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: lookout88

“let the civil war begin”

It’s just over the horizon, I’m afraid.


206 posted on 09/28/2008 11:51:34 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: dools007
I think that’s what people are most angry about.

People are angry because they can be. FR has been irrational for a while now. The sort of optimism generated by the Palin nomination is very, very rare around here since at least 2006.

I’m wondering if McCain has a troubling connection to the subprime and/or Wall Street shananagans. Thoughts anybody?

Are you serious? Ugh. McCain hasn't spoken out publicly about the bill because he doesn't want to have to remove his foot from his mouth if events change. If he comes out in support of it, but the House GOP gets their way, McCain is stuck voting for something he was publicly against. If the opposite happens, where McCain comes out in public (as opposed to current private) support of the House GOP, and the Dems get their way, he again gets portrayed as an impediment to doing something.
207 posted on 09/28/2008 11:51:43 AM PDT by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is STILL a catastrophe. Hello, McCandidate!)
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To: goldstategop
So that the GOP that is REALLY unhappy with this BS cannot pin it on the Dims. They are trying to cover their asses. I would just LOVE to know what the Quid Pro Quo for THIS is... I would imagine Nancy is making all sorts of concessions to Repubbies right now. Hope they are getting those in writing.... although, the next session of congress will be a Lame Duck one for sure. Not a damn thing is gonna get passed till after the election, and what does likely will not pass the smell test.

Now the real fun has begun.

208 posted on 09/28/2008 11:52:31 AM PDT by Danae (Read my Lipstick: I AM Sarah Palin)
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To: Danae
However, the ground ought to be laid now, and they should be rebutting the Obambi campaign’s bullshi7

Yes! We know differently, but John Q. Public at this point is starting to think McCain has dropped out completely.

yeah I know ...... it's just starting to get me

209 posted on 09/28/2008 11:53:43 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (McCain/Palin '08)
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To: Mark was here

Federal INCOME Taxes - people earning $ 10,000 do NOT pay them. They may be withheld from your paycheck, but IF you had filed a return, they would have been returned to you and you might even have been eligible to receive the Earned Income Tax Credit, which means the gov’t would have mailed you a check in addition to ALL the INCOME taxes withheld (paid for courtesy of someone who did pay INCOME taxes.)


210 posted on 09/28/2008 11:53:52 AM PDT by penowa
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To: Heart of Georgia
"I for one will not hold him accountable for a mess that was created by the dems!"

1) The Dems hold Republicans accountable for the Dems mess.
2) Voters overwhelmingly believe this is a Republican-caused problem.
3) Voters overwhelmingly disapprove of this bailout in any form.
4) Obama has come out in support of this bailout.
5) McCain is now VERY far behind in the polls and is likely to stay there unless something drastic occurs very, very soon.
6) If McCain comes out against this bailout (against corporate welfare), NO VOTER will be angry with that position, and MANY VOTERS will like his position a lot.

That is why I believe he will lose if he comes out for, and will win if he comes out against. You and I will vote for him either way. We are not the voters he needs to win right now.
211 posted on 09/28/2008 11:54:10 AM PDT by DRey
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To: redstateconfidential

Appropriate flag for times like these. Our elected officials just don’t get it this time, just like the immigration fiasco.


212 posted on 09/28/2008 11:54:13 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: MittFan08

The Republicans can point out that they could have crafted with relatively little taxpayer money compared to the bailout by suspending Mark to Market and insuring failing foreclosure securities. This would allow lenders and investors to sort out the mess started by Congressional interference.


213 posted on 09/28/2008 11:54:20 AM PDT by TheThinker (It is the natural tendency of government to gravitate towards tyranny.)
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To: jimbo123
"Wellershoff of UBS criticises US authorities "

Yup, this is a bailout of Europes financial system, not ours. Ours can survive this "crisis" but Europe's may not.

214 posted on 09/28/2008 11:54:25 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: pabianice; All

The odds of it passing, according to intrade.com, have dropped by 10 points. It was up by 6 or 7 points a half hour ago, as far as I recall.


215 posted on 09/28/2008 11:55:22 AM PDT by mathprof
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To: pabianice

Heads need to roll.

or FRee Scooter Libby


216 posted on 09/28/2008 11:55:22 AM PDT by hattend (Obama has gone from voting PRESENT, to not even wanting to BE present! Call me if you need me!)
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To: BurbankKarl

Office of Speaker Nancy Pelosi — Sept. 28, 2008

REINVEST, REIMBURSE, REFORM

IMPROVING THE FINANCIAL RESCUE LEGISLATION

Significant bipartisan work has built consensus around dramatic improvements to the original Bush-Paulson plan to stabilize American financial markets — including cutting in half the Administration’s initial request for $700 billion and requiring Congressional review for any future commitment of taxpayers’ funds. If the government loses money, the financial industry will pay back the taxpayers.

3 Phases of a Financial Rescue with Strong Taxpayer Protections

Reinvest in the troubled financial markets … to stabilize our economy and insulate Main Street from Wall Street
Reimburse the taxpayer … through ownership of shares and appreciation in the value of purchased assets
Reform business-as-usual on Wall Street … strong Congressional oversight and no golden parachutes
CRITICAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE RESCUE PLAN

Democrats have insisted from day one on substantial changes to make the Bush-Paulson plan acceptable — protecting American taxpayers and Main Street — and these elements will be included in the legislation

Protection for taxpayers, ensuring THEY share IN ANY profits

Cuts the payment of $700 billion in half and conditions future payments on Congressional review
Gives taxpayers an ownership stake and profit-making opportunities with participating companies
Puts taxpayers first in line to recover assets if participating company fails
Guarantees taxpayers are repaid in full — if other protections have not actually produced a profit
Allows the government to purchase troubled assets from pension plans, local governments, and small banks that serve low- and middle-income families
Limits on excessive compensation for CEOs and executives

New restrictions on CEO and executive compensation for participating companies:

No multi-million dollar golden parachutes
Limits CEO compensation that encourages unnecessary risk-taking
Recovers bonuses paid based on promised gains that later turn out to be false or inaccurate
Strong independent oversight and transparency

Four separate independent oversight entities or processes to protect the taxpayer

A strong oversight board appointed by bipartisan leaders of Congress
A GAO presence at Treasury to oversee the program and conduct audits to ensure strong internal controls, and to prevent waste, fraud, and abuse
An independent Inspector General to monitor the Treasury Secretary’s decisions
Transparency — requiring posting of transactions online — to help jumpstart private sector demand
Meaningful judicial review of the Treasury Secretary’s actions

Help to prevent home foreclosures crippling the American economy

The government can use its power as the owner of mortgages and mortgage backed securities to facilitate loan modifications (such as, reduced principal or interest rate, lengthened time to pay back the mortgage) to help reduce the 2 million projected foreclosures in the next year
Extends provision (passed earlier in this Congress) to stop tax liability on mortgage foreclosures
Helps save small businesses that need credit by aiding small community banks hurt by the mortgage crisis—allowing these banks to deduct losses from investments in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stocks


217 posted on 09/28/2008 11:55:24 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: P-Marlowe
The Constitution states that all spending bills must originate in the U.S. House of Representatives.

No, it is all bills that raise revenue shall originate in the House, getting the money in the first place, not spending it.

218 posted on 09/28/2008 11:55:45 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: Mark was here
38% pay no taxes, so if there is a payout to 95% of Americans, some of it is tax refund (58% of recipients) and some of it is income redistribution.

35% of the recipients would be getting income redistribution.

219 posted on 09/28/2008 11:56:14 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Your concerns may end at the border, but your bank accounts and everything else financial don’t. Unfortunately.

Welcome to the new world order. It’s been in place for some years now, even decades. It stinks to high heaven, but it’s a reality.


220 posted on 09/28/2008 11:56:32 AM PDT by Deo volente
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