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Conservative judges fault Scalia opinion on guns
AP via SFGate ^ | 9/27/8 | MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 09/27/2008 9:49:41 AM PDT by SmithL

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is no stranger to criticism. He gives as good as he gets.

But two recent critiques of his opinion in the landmark decision guaranteeing people the right keep guns at home for self-defense are notable because they come from respected fellow conservative federal judges.

The judges, J. Harvie Wilkinson of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Va., and Richard Posner of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago, take Scalia to task for engaging in the same sort of judicial activism he regularly disdains.

Wilkinson was interviewed by President Bush in 2005 for a Supreme Court vacancy. His article strongly suggests that the 5-4 decision in Heller v. District of Columbia would have come out differently if he had been chosen for the court. Bush's appointees to the high court, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, joined Scalia's opinion.

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Sour grapes from the bench?
1 posted on 09/27/2008 9:49:43 AM PDT by SmithL
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His article strongly suggests that the 5-4 decision in Heller v. District of Columbia would have come out differently if he had been chosen for the court.
What part of "shall not be infringed" does he not understand?
2 posted on 09/27/2008 9:50:34 AM PDT by SmithL (Drill Dammit!)
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To: SmithL
"His article strongly suggests that the 5-4 decision in Heller v. District of Columbia would have come out differently if he had been chosen for the court"

Gosh, I think I hear the world's smallest violin playing...

3 posted on 09/27/2008 10:01:28 AM PDT by ReeseBN38416
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To: SmithL

Exactly and doesn’t sound like a conservative judge to me.


4 posted on 09/27/2008 10:01:35 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: SmithL

Idiot uses Scalia’s dissent in Roe, constructed on no clear constitutional language, to criticize a decision under the 2nd amendment. Not only do we have jihadijournalists blowing themselves up for their political causes, now we have jihadijudges.


5 posted on 09/27/2008 10:02:12 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: SmithL

Not only did Scalia uphold the Second Amendment from a constructionist perspective, the Supreme Court has final jurisdictional control over the DISCTRICT OF COLUMBIA - where the case was brought in the first place.

The other judge is a whiner and obviously not a strict contructionist.


6 posted on 09/27/2008 10:02:53 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: SmithL
Wilkinson said elected officials are in a better position to determine gun laws than the courts.

This idiot doesn't get it. This was about the 2nd Amendment!

7 posted on 09/27/2008 10:04:47 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (Obama...post turtle)
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To: SmithL

“....His article strongly suggests that the 5-4 decision in Heller v. District of Columbia would have come out differently if he had been chosen for the court....”

....and that is precisely WHY he wasn’t chosen for the court.


8 posted on 09/27/2008 10:05:12 AM PDT by Islander7 ("Common sense and common decency are uncommon virtues among America's left.")
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To: SmithL
If Judge Posner is a conservative, I'm the everlovin' Queen of Romania.

He has some conservative views, mostly in areas like contract rights, but his parents were Communist Party members, he clerked for Justice Brennan, and he favors partial birth abortion. Plus he was born in NYC, went to Yale, and lives in Chicago, so naturally he thinks gun owners are knuckle-dragging yahoos.

9 posted on 09/27/2008 10:11:29 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies Auxiliary, recess appointment))
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To: SmithL

My guess is that some justices think that the US Reports are a higher authority than the US Constitution. Stare decisis is a cancer in systems of civil law - the very principle should be culled from the courts. 2+3=5, and the fact that some student somewhere received full grades previously for stating that 2+2=3 is a poor reason to suggest that 2+3=4. Multiply that error by 30 students and building new errors upon such errors becomes no more palatable.

When the US Reports and US Constitution are in conflict, I would like to remind those on the court what they swear fidelity to when taking the judicial oath.


10 posted on 09/27/2008 10:12:30 AM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: SmithL

It is not “judicial activism” to interpret the words of the Constitution in an area where heretofore the Court had been largely silent. For his part, Wilkinson’s record on the bench has been inconsistent. Posner (who, interestingly, is not quoted at all in the AP article) would surprise me, as he is a brilliant man and a scholar of great depth.


11 posted on 09/27/2008 10:13:30 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Somewhere in Illinois, a community is missing its organizer.)
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To: SmithL

Some years back I read of a bumper sticker that said ‘’Mr. politican, what is it you have in mind for me that you’re so damn worried about me owning a gun?’’ We have the right, get over it, go lay on a couch for crazy people, commit Herry Cary.


12 posted on 09/27/2008 10:13:50 AM PDT by Waco ( G00d bye 0'bomber)
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To: SmithL

“Wilkinson said elected officials are in a better position to determine gun laws than the courts”

Using that logic, it must be ok for elected officials to ignore the 1st amendment too when making laws.


13 posted on 09/27/2008 10:16:04 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: SmithL

Aren’t judges supposed to be active in their defense of the Constitution?


14 posted on 09/27/2008 10:17:33 AM PDT by pallis
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To: ReeseBN38416

Nah, he’s just getting his name out there and his 15 minutes of fame, in case o-boy becomes POTUS, and the SC happens to have a vacancy.


15 posted on 09/27/2008 10:28:11 AM PDT by GWMcClintock (Right after Lib Democrats, the most dangerous politicians are country club Republicans. T. Sowell)
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To: ScottfromNJ

“Wilkinson said elected officials are in a better position to determine gun laws than the courts”

An unbelievably arrogant statement by a person sitting on the federal bench. This guy is clueless as to what the ultimate authority in this country is.

The United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Period. EVERYTHING else issues forth from that bedrock point.

When the constitution makes a statement, elected officials do NOT have the right to ignore, disobey or change it.

No wonder this country is going down the tubes. If “conservative” judges have this attitude we’re doomed.


16 posted on 09/27/2008 10:35:20 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: SmithL

Roe V Wade was based on the so called “right to privacy” which is not in the constitution. The “right to bear arms” is spelled out. Not sure why that is so complicated.


17 posted on 09/27/2008 10:39:35 AM PDT by yazoo
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To: Jagdgewehr

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again...a weenie with a gun is still a weenie.


18 posted on 09/27/2008 10:41:06 AM PDT by gundog (John McCain is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.)
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To: SmithL
""I cannot help but recall Justice Scalia's lament ... that 'by foreclosing all democratic outlet for the deep passions this issue arouses, by banishing the issue from the political forum that gives all participants, even the losers, the satisfaction of a fair hearing and an honest fight, by continuing the imposition of a rigid national rule instead of allowing for regional differences, the Court merely prolongs and intensifies the anguish,'" Wilkinson said, quoting from Scalia's dissent."

This judge is twisting Scalia's words and philosophy. Scalia believes in the "democratic outlet" to settle matters that aren't specifically addressed in the Constitution. Firearms ownership is specifically addressed in the constitution. This judge sounds like he has an axe to grind.

19 posted on 09/27/2008 10:45:52 AM PDT by KoRn (Barack Obama Must Be Stopped!!!)
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To: SmithL
Justice Scalia is in good company

Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." (1764 Letter and speech from T. Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)

John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense." (A defense of the Constitution of the US)

George Washington: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than 99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour." (Address to 1st session of Congress)

George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot, Debates at 380)

Noah Webster: "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe." (1787, Pamphlets on the Constitution of the US)

George Washington: "A free people ought to be armed." (Jan 14 1790, Boston Independent Chronicle.)

Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." (T. Jefferson papers, 334, C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

James Madison: "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms." (Federalist Paper #46)

20 posted on 09/27/2008 11:00:02 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
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