GOP NATIONAL CONVENTION *LIVE THREAD* DAY 4

http://www.gopconvention.com/ ^ | 09.04.08 | WakeUpAndVote

[WakeUpAndVote]

Last Day Folks! Thanks for letting me do the threads.

Last night was GREAT! You can tell by the amount of slime that is being thrown us. Break out the poopcorn, it's going to be another late night!

[mnehring]

McCain is there to keep the chair warm for Palin, introduce her to his pals at the NSA and Pentagon, and give her four years to be in front of the cameras firing up America again about Conservative values.

Outside of some of the decisions he in the military and choice of Cindy as a wife, this has to be the wisest move he has made.

[mnehring]

Who would we have more leverage with? (think Meyers and Amnesty)

[CottonBall]

Neither Obama, nor McCain are going to improve the illegal immigration issue, but one of those two will be President. At least we have leverage with McCain, just as we had leverage with Bush over Meyers and Amnesty. The responsibility is back in our hands.

It wasn't leverage over Bush - it was over the Republican congressmen. McCain is so proud of being a maverick, he'll slap conservatism in the face (as he's always done) and be proud of it.

Republican congressmen will be more likely to oppose a Dem president than their own. No doubt.

[CottonBall]

McCain is there to keep the chair warm for Palin, introduce her to his pals at the NSA and Pentagon, and give her four years to be in front of the cameras firing up America again about Conservative values.

How many VPs of unpopular presidents go on to win the presidency? None to few. We might have a better shot with her being governor for another 4 years and getting that experience.

[Sunnyflorida]

“Who would we have more leverage with? (think Meyers and Amnesty)”

Zero with either. I would like to know Palin’s record on this issue.

[PhiKapMom]

That is exactly how President Reagan won and those Reagan Democrats continued to vote for Republicans for President including in 2004 when every County in OK went for Pres Bush. Some of those counties have so few Republicans that a Republican has never been elected to office. The are 70-80% Dem, but Pres Bush won their vote.

Will never understand why people don’t understand the VP candidate gives the red meat speech and the Presidential candidate gives the speech to ask everyone to join together. Been that way for years and how we got the Reagan Democrats to start with.

From some comments they also don’t understand that the speakers are picked for reason. Sen Martinez wasn’t picked for his popularity on here, he was picked for his popularity in the Cuban community. Too many people that want the Convention aimed at them only which would cause us to lose the election.

Someone needs to teach a Politics 101 course on how to win elections when your opponent has more voters.

[CottonBall]

I'll repeat what I've said- the immigration problem is a symptom of the culture of liberalism, not the cause of it. You want to cure a cold, don't just blow your nose, go after the virus. Blowing your nose only is a temporary fix for your nose.

But you have to also treat the symptom, especially if the cause cannot be fixed immediately. And with 2 liberals running at the top of the tickets, the cause will not be fixed in the next 4 years.

Republican congressmen will be much more likely to oppose a Dem president than their own. The Senate the last few years is a prime example. Our House Republicans stuck to their values (and were villified by the WH for it), but the Republican senators caved.

[Sunnyflorida]

“Republican congressmen will be more likely to oppose a Dem president than their own. No doubt. “

Especially in the Senate. The GOP Senators will play kissyfoote with McCain. He will get Amnesty. They might just fight Obama out of sheer political calculations, but not McCain.

[CottonBall]

I understand that statesmen must be flexible; but that hardly equates a ball of pandering putty shaped by popular opinion.

Reagan didn't attract moderates, independents and some Democrats by becoming more liberal. He did it by sticking to his principles and explaining them in a way that made them attractive to others. Much as Palin did the night before last.

What McAmnesty is doing is once again weakening conservatism by being associated with it.

[Ulysse]

YEP i am rather surprised by the kind of “obsession” of some of the one-issue voters(immigration or another)...

Many of them pretend that there are nearly no difference between J. McCAIN and OBAMA WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY UNTRUE !

Then i am wondering,WHAT IS THEIR GOAL?

Making people(mostly conservatives) stay home on the election day?....It becomes rather clear.
All the little OUSSBAMA’s activists are very nervous these last days and trying everything for the Messiah

[CottonBall]

Especially in the Senate. The GOP Senators will play kissyfoote with McCain. He will get Amnesty. They might just fight Obama out of sheer political calculations, but not McCain.

Yup. They've already done that with Bush's amnesty. The only thing that saved us was the house - and they were villified for it by the WH and many were denied reelection funds by the RNC later.

Do we really want to encourage this type of behavior again? How long can our House conservatives hold out against their own party?

[Rutles4Ever]

You will literally throw the unborn baby out with the bathwater to make a stand on immigration?

Where are your priorities? In case you didn’t notice, an Obama election absolutely guarantees that the day after inauguration, John Paul Stevens and Darth Bader Ginsburg will retire and the Democratic Congress will appoint Hillary Clinton and Alcee Hastings to the Supreme Court? And Justice Scalia is in his seventies as well.

Seriously. What are you thinking?

[Miss Didi]

[CottonBall]

Then i am wondering,WHAT IS THEIR GOAL?

If you live in a place that is being destroyed by illegal immigration, you wouldn't need to ask. Mexifornia is a 3rd world cesspool being propped up by taxpayer's money. Without those funds, it would be no different than any town on the other side of the border. Our culture is gone - everything is now in spanish, our kids are ignored in school in order to teach kids that can't speak our language before our own kids, and the 4th of July is ignored over May 5th.

This will be coming to your area once amnesty passes. And it will be way too late for you to complain - or find another place to move to. As it is, white flight out of Mexifornia is increasing and WE want somewhere resembling the USA to move to. 99% of my husband's coworkers are planning on retiring out of Mexifornia. (The 1% is a Mexican national here on a H1B Visa and of course, he loves it here because it is exactly like his homeland.)

[Sunnyflorida]

“And immigration is not the only issue!
Even if it’s important...

McCAIN is a one-term candidate...”

But once you open the flood gates they are open. This will set a precedent that no matter what is said you can sneak into the United States and stay. It is like the IRS saying, “hey all you tax cheats from last year, you get a pass.” The only reason people pay taxes is because the law is enforced. It there was a sign of weak enforcement then the game would be up. Same thing I predict for illegal immigration. We do not have enough cops to round up everybody. The only way to make it work is to make sure we are (we become) consistent and enforce the laws that are on the books now - it would send a message and people would go home. That is the problem with McCain’s proposal - lack of consistency. If we enforce existing law first we have a fighting chance of enforcing future law. If we just wipe the slate clean this time why would anybody think we are going to be serious the next time?

This is why I think McCain is not as evil as he is stupid.

[mnehring]

...with 2 liberals running at the top of the tickets, the cause will not be fixed in the next 4 years.

Because of the leverage we had, we where able to stop Amnesty with a President and Senate who supported Amnesty. If we realize the solution isn't in Washington (that is just a tool) but the power is with our collective voices. We've already shown, several times with President Bush, what we can do if we have the will to do it. No matter McCain's, nor Congress' personal opinion on the issue, they are concerned with retaining power. This means money and votes. Threaten those (especially the first) and you have leverage.

We won't have that leverage with Obama.

..BUT, we also have to realize that 99.9% of the responsibility lies with ourselves. If illegals didn't have jobs to come to, they would have no reason to come. IMHO, we aren't even touching 1% of the power over the issue that we, as citizens have. Don't make it financially viable for people to come here illegally.

[Rutles4Ever]

Guess what - if Obama is elected, you’re not only going to still have “Mexifornia”, you’re going to have Mexifornia and a Marxist, completely Democratic executive, legislative, and judicial branch sodomizing you gently with their plunger of social engineering and taxation.

Elect McCain, and at LEAST we’ll have a fighting chance of moving the Supreme Court to the right and grooming a true conservative president for 2012 in VP Palin.

Forest, trees, and all that.

[CottonBall]

an Obama election absolutely guarantees that the day after inauguration, John Paul Stevens and Darth Bader Ginsburg will retire and the Democratic Congress will appoint Hillary Clinton and Alcee Hastings to the Supreme Court?

This is the sort of scare tactic lacking basic facts that the liberals usually try. The eldest justices on the court are the liberals. The younger ones are the conservatives. The two you mentioned retiring ARE liberals and the balance of the court won't be affected. Also, the average age that justices retire at will not be reached by ANY of the sitting justices until after 4 years from now. It's the 4-12 year span that is crucial. A liberal McCain trashing conservatism in the next 4 will assure a liberal president in '12 that WILL appoint liberal justices. Once McAmnesty ruins the changes for Palin to get elected by her association with him, we're toast. (A VP of an unpopular president will not get elected president. Also, she will have to be in lockstep with him on every single issue. They will have to show a united front. Nobody will remember that she was ever a conservative after 4 years of association with McAmnesty).

McAmnesty voted to appoint Ginsburg. And said he would not appoint a conservative like Alito (like showing your conservatism is a bad thing). I'm not at all convinced McAmnest won't be appointing liberal justices.

[Sunnyflorida]

Please name for me all the Supreme Court Justices McCain has voted for?

And there is no way the President of the United States is ever going to put an end to abortion. That is impossible. There is no possible way. None. Even overturning Roe won’t do it.

However, the President can order enforcement of our existing immigration laws. He can promise to VETO Amnesty. The Senate can filibuster and delay and confound and obstruct - but not with McCain.

Look I loath BO and the Dems but I am realistic on McCain.

[mnehring]

Then i am wondering,WHAT IS THEIR GOAL?

Not for the folks here, because many we've debated over the years and we know their intentions are pure. However, there are some (especially third party promoters) who are all about the founding fathers- specifically these founding fathers.

It is kind of like the environmentalist lobby, all about the donations.