Posted on 09/02/2008 6:40:33 AM PDT by ubaldus
Obama is up by 6 in today's Rasmussen tracker, by 5 without leaners (48 - 43). It is obviuos that McCain had a very bad polling day yesterday, something like 42-53 daily sample or even worse.
Some of it may be statistical noise, but it appears that all the noise around Palin selection is starting to hurt.
You’re referring to bigots. I don’t want them on my side.
You're absolutely right. I didn't see them and I apologize. There's also an ARG poll that just came up that has Obama up 6.
Are we voting for the mom or the fornicator? Are we making the mom guilty for the sin of the child? If your child has lust in their hearts for another and have not wed, are you guilty for that sin?
That’s anecdotal, just like the huge numbers of conservatives who weren’t going to vote for McCain was anecdotal too. And untrue.
The question is not if some very vocal PUMAs will switch to McCain. Some will, but will there be enough to make a difference? There have to be large PUMA defections and they have to be in the right states to matter. It doesn’t matter if some pissed PUMAs on college campi in AL switch to McCain. He was already going to win AL. Likewise, it doesn’t matter if some northeastern, liberal PUMAs switch to McCain. With the possible exception of NH, there aren’t likely to be enough to turn a blue state red.
From Gallup today:
“The Democratic convention appears to have helped solidify support for Barack Obama among former Hillary Clinton supporters, with the percent saying they will vote for Obama in November moving from 70% pre-convention to 81% after the convention, and the percent certain to vote for Obama jumping from 47% to 65%.”
” The base isn’t upset about the pregnancy “
Agree. After all they will marry, and she will have their baby.
Don’t forget Barry’s Mom & Dad never married, and she was also 18 when she gave birth to the “ chosen one “
“Role reversal (Mr. Mom) and the unwed pregnancy is NOT a conservative posture nor does it play well with conservative Christians ... .”
I’m a evangelical homeschool mom who believes in staying home and raising my children. I am on a homeschool list with many others who feel the same way. I am excited about Palin and have only heard my fellow homeschoolers praise the pick.
I’m finally excited about this election and I am excited that Governor Palin is on the ticket!
Of course not, and that’s not what I said.
Please read the entirety of my post before commenting further.
“I like the choice. For better or worse, she sure looks genuine, doesn’t she? I hope that translates into strong, clear stands on the issues.”
Refreshing isn’t it!!!!!
>>That’s anecdotal, just like the huge numbers of conservatives who weren’t going to vote for McCain was anecdotal too. And untrue.<<
Yes, technically that first one is anecdotal. But it is also a pretty powerful anecdote. I think it represents an opinion shared by others members of the 18 million. It is a valid representation of opinion just as Freerepublic is a valid snapshot of opinion.
Regarding the second, I was one of those that was opting out of this election. And I MEANT IT! I will now vote for McCain and, truth be told, will consider the potential requirement of, during his term, promoting her to POTUS to be a good thing (for the country at least). I see her as a potential “Iron Lady II”.
Thing is, I’ve hung around some SERIOUS movers and shakers and discovered a few things. First, they are just normal people in most facets of their life. Second, they are mostly unflappable. Third, they know their limitations. They surround themselves with experts and then, after vetting expert opinions, they take action and are willing to take responsibility for that action. That last one is probably the most important attribute that they all share.
I have read enough about her challenges in both public and personal life and her response to all of them to say she seems to have that last one down – probably more than most presidents we have elected.
As I follow her decisions, several scriptures come to mind, but I will avoid quoting here.
I saw Rudy last week and he talked about how he handled 911. It was very, VERY similar to the way we handle crises at my place of employment. None of this is rocket science but you do need a LEADER to get others to do their job. She seems like a real, honest to goodness, bone-fide, lead-by-example leader.
I like that.
A lot.
>>From Gallup today:
“The Democratic convention appears to have helped solidify support for Barack Obama among former Hillary Clinton supporters, with the percent saying they will vote for Obama in November moving from 70% pre-convention to 81% after the convention, and the percent certain to vote for Obama jumping from 47% to 65%.”<<
I just see that as more MSM noise.
I will tell you that EVERY SINGLE CONSERVATIVE I KNOW is ecstatic about this pick. Not one exception. This didn’t just bring more of the base on board. It brouht a fired up base. If you don’t believe it, check out donations to his campaign since the announcement.
This is becoming very Reaganesque.
“I will tell you that EVERY SINGLE CONSERVATIVE I KNOW is ecstatic...”
And I will tell you that I know some who aren’t, and they’re all women. The most common reaction I got at the BBQ I attended yesterday was, “Who is this woman? She sure came out of nowhere.” or “I wanted [fill in the blank] to get it.” Anecdotal, but not a great sign.
The base can be on fire, but like I said to another poster, Republicans make up 31% of the electorate. McCain could win every one of us and still lose the election. This election, like all others, will be won or lost in the middle. Those voters are the ones the Palin pick is designed to get. And so far, her family problems are in the way of getting the Pubbie message out and introducing her to the voting public. That’s just a fact.
I turned on Fox News a few minutes ago to see what the coverage was. It was a discussion of whether Palin was properly vetted due to all the revelations about her family. Then they went to New Orleans for an update of Gustav, then a discussion of Hurricane Hanna. As long as the media is talking about that stuff, they’re not talking about Palin’s accomplishments, drilling for oil, national security or any other of the Pubbie’s strong points. That’s also a fact.
None of this helps McCain. We will know within about a week whether it hurts him or not.
“This is becoming very Reaganesque.”
Oh, good grief. She’s an attractive, accomplished woman, but she’s hardly in Reagan’s league. I like her a whole lot better than the liberal at the top of the ticket, but she ain’t Maggie Thatcher, and she’s got a long way to go before she is.
Ask yourself honestly, would you be gushing like this if Palin were an ugly man?
From your post:
>>The most common reaction I got at the BBQ I attended yesterday was, “Who is this woman? She sure came out of nowhere.”<<
>>It was a discussion of whether Palin was properly vetted due to all the revelations about her family.<<
Those are ridiculously easy to address. And they will be, in spades, both at the convention and in the next couple of months. Those attempting to percolate those issues to the surface are going to find out why one must sometimes avoid low hanging fruit. It is too easy to sabotage.
I believe every one of these issues will give her and McCain added strength when all is said and done. I’m very excited. This seems to be a Br’er Rabbit briar patch thing.
It’s popcorn time!
She is in his league when she was his age. Likewise Maggie.
That is where I am coming from here. And it is not based on what she accomplished so much as how she accomplished it.
She is also very much a “normal person” in a vein similar to Lincoln. The libs don't understand just how elitist they sound when they trash the personal life stuff.
At least, how they sound to “real” people.
>>Ask yourself honestly, would you be gushing like this if Palin were an ugly man?<<
In a heartbeat! I made that very clear in a previous post.
But I don’t think he woul bring along as much of these folk: http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/
;)
I actually meant: She is in his league when he was her age.
DON’T fret this. Polls bounce around. Gustav/Katrina was THE news after Palin’s pick. Let’s see what happens after the RNC Convention.
Yes, after thinking about it I think you are right, a person like Sarah is exceptionally strong. She wouldn't be in politics if she was a wimp. It will be very interesting to see how this develops.
Okay. And how is projecting future accomplishments onto Palin, which may or may not come to pass, any different from the liberal projection of Messiah status onto Obama? She’s gutted a moose. When she guts Putin, I’ll call her Margaret Thatcher. Until then, we don’t know how she’ll be in national office. There have been plenty of conservatives who ended up being duds in office. As exhibit A I give you the ‘94 Congress. All the potential in the world, few real accomplishments.
I’ll give Palin the benefit of the doubt for now, but she’s going to have to perform to get my full approbation. And if she doesn’t perform, and instead knuckles under to her RINO overlord and carries his water like Cheney did Bush, I’ll be her loudest detractor.
Nobody “knows” how she will do in office. But I read with interest about how she handled her challenges. I was very impressed.
The “gutted a moose” comment was really not very dignified, with all do respect. I refer you to my “how to determine is someone is friend or foe” comment in a previous post.
You’ve clearly identified yourself on this issue and I can take all further comments in the proper context.
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