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Where have all the real men gone?
The Times Online ^ | August 3, 2008 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 08/06/2008 12:31:58 PM PDT by Publius804

From The Sunday Times

August 3, 2008

Where have all the real men gone?

Top American columnist Kathleen Parker is causing a furore with her new book Save the Males, in which she argues that feminism has neutered men and deprived them of their noble, protective role in society

I know. Saving the males is an unlikely vocation for a 21st-century woman. Most men don’t know they need saving; most women consider the idea absurd. When I tell my women friends that I want to save the males, they look at me as if noticing for the first time that I am insane. Then they say something like: “Are you out of your mind? This is still a male-dominated world. It’s women who need saving. Screw the men!”

(Excerpt) Read more at entertainment.timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: bookreview; feminism; kathleenparker; men; savethemales; women
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To: clamper1797
Never make a pretty woman your wife ...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

How about marrying a plain Jane who LATER becomes a pretty wife.

Happens all the time. Marriage brings beauty to a lot of women, my FRiend.

What to do then, divorce? LOL!

41 posted on 08/06/2008 1:17:55 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (Ridicule Obama))
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To: Publius804
We're around.
We just don't like to advertise.
42 posted on 08/06/2008 1:18:31 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Candor7

This requires examples.


43 posted on 08/06/2008 1:23:31 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: blowfish

I haven’t seen much of a correlation between politics and worthiness as a father. Plenty of liberal guys I know are devoted fathers and husbands. I’ve known some guys who were conservative politically, but cheated on their wives and left them for their secretary.

My uncle is pretty much a died-in-the wool Euro-socialist, but he’s been married to my aunt for 30 years and has raised a couple of great sons.

It’s silly to think that political views have much to do with a person’s day-to-day decency.


44 posted on 08/06/2008 1:23:33 PM PDT by Citizen Blade ("Please... I go through everyone's trash." The Question)
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To: Publius804

Well, my grandfather was a WWII combat vet who was also a fire breathing socialist. He was pro-2nd amendment, however, and a REAL man.


45 posted on 08/06/2008 1:24:00 PM PDT by Clemenza (McCain/Palin; Maverick and the MILF)
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To: TheWasteLand
I wonder what the percentage of men under the age of 30 (or 40) who can change a tire is?

More importantly, how many men can properly inflate their tires, thereby saving millions of barrels of oil each year?

46 posted on 08/06/2008 1:36:28 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Publius804

I live in Toronto, Canada, and I’m wondering where all the real women are. All I meet are Fembots and Lezzers.


47 posted on 08/06/2008 1:36:34 PM PDT by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: Catholic Canadian; Tax-chick
Apparently there are some in VA and NC, but it's going to take a real man to handle either of this women

Tax-chick --I told both of my girls that if a guy ever, EVER wants to talk about his feelings to dump him right away. Talking your feelings is for your girlfriends, not your man

48 posted on 08/06/2008 1:39:14 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Publius804

Women control sex, ergo men will do what women want them to do in order to get sex.. generally speaking...

While I admit I enjoy sex as much if not more than anyone else on the planet... I will not be acting like a little feminized twink in order to get it... you want that, have fun with it until it bores you.. and trust me it will bore you eventually.

I am not your girlfriend and have no desire to be... I’m hairy, sweaty, and at times boorish, brash, brazen and all the other characteristits that generalizations to negatively conotate men are. I will never find shopping exciting, unless its for a tool, bbq grill or technical gadget, and even then only for a few minutes.

I don’t care how en vogue it is, I will never be shaving my back or chest hair so I can look like some little twink.

I won’t be piercing any part of my body, or permanently inking it either, just because you think its hot.

I won’t pay more than $10 for a haircut.

I will not shop at boutique stores for clothing and neccessities.. you may all you like to smell nice and look sexy for me, but don’t expect me to find me shopping at bed bath and beyond etc.

I really can and do think about nothing, and yes, I do it a lot when you are babbling on about some event in your day I really don’t care about. I know, sounds harsh, but if it didn’t physically or emotionally harm you, justifying me getting involved to stop it, I really don’t care that you had a fight with the rudist checkout lady ever at the A&P. I got the jist in the first 2 sentences, going on for 20 minutes describing a 30 second interaction will glaze over my eyes faster than anything on the planet.

Don’t come to me whining about your problems and expect me to NOT offer solutions... I’m a guy.. you want someone to simply empathize and not offer solutions, call your mother, best friend, sister, aunt, grandma, or anyone else.

I won’t pretend to like your boss if he’s a jerk.

I won’t pretend to like your father if he’s a jerk.

I pretty much won’t pretend to like anyone if their a jerk. Deal with them if I have to yes, but won’t pretend that I like them.

Don’t ask me a question you don’t want an honest answer too, because I will tell you “yes that makes your but look big” if it indeed does. You want me to stroke your ego, then ask me a question where the honest answer will make you feel better, and asking it after bringing me a cold one without me asking or expecting certainly will increase the odds I’ll deliver the answer in a better mood.

I don’t give a crap about style, the Jeans, T-Shirt and Flannel look may never make the cover of the fashion magazines, but its damned well comfortable and far more likely what you will see me in.

You may care about it, and I appreciate that you do, to an extent, but if you think $400 for a pair of shoes is sensible, you need thumped in your head.

I don’t care how comfortable they are, you will never see me in a pair of crocs.

I firmly believe, its not exercise if no ones keeping score.

I could go on and on, but at this point my mind is beginning to wander off into beer and boobs again, and I find that more interesting than continuing to back up my point.


49 posted on 08/06/2008 1:40:14 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Catholic Canadian

Shame you aren’t meeting the right women, then. I grew up in Toronto and the women were very down to earth, generally-speaking. Canadian women are usually pretty nice, in my experience.


50 posted on 08/06/2008 1:41:48 PM PDT by Citizen Blade ("Please... I go through everyone's trash." The Question)
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To: TheWasteLand

Changing a tire is so basic that even if someone hasn’t done it, if they couldn’t do it on their own without guidance then they need help in a lot of areas.


51 posted on 08/06/2008 1:44:45 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
I don’t give a crap about style, the Jeans, T-Shirt and Flannel look may never make the cover of the fashion magazines, but its damned well comfortable and far more likely what you will see me in.

You may care about it, and I appreciate that you do, to an extent, but if you think $400 for a pair of shoes is sensible, you need thumped in your head.

It's sad that being a "real man" is supposed to preclude you from enjoying some of the finer things created by Western culture, such as a nice suit, or a pair of Gucci loafers.

Used to be that guys knew how to dress themselves, but seom people want to make a poltitical or cultural statement out of slovenliness.

52 posted on 08/06/2008 1:46:18 PM PDT by Citizen Blade ("Please... I go through everyone's trash." The Question)
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To: HamiltonJay

I wouldn’t have a girlfriend that couldn’t change her own tire (or her own oil, for that matter). A man who can’t do that is pretty sad.


53 posted on 08/06/2008 1:48:47 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: HamiltonJay
With the exception of needing a 'thump to the head' (for any reason) you've described my husband to the tee.

Oddly enough, the subject of hitting your spouse came up last night at the dinner table. He told my girls he would never strike me because he is a gentleman, but also because of the 'mutually assured destruction' it would bring down upon him. I can load a gun just as good as he can, and I have my own weapons, just like he does.

But yes, he is big, hairy, sweaty, loving, and kind all when it is appropriate to be so...and I just brought him a cold one... so all is good here.

54 posted on 08/06/2008 1:49:04 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA; Catholic Canadian

Well, he can talk about his feelings about the Civil War, especially if he gets teary-eyed on Lee-Jackson Day (or D-Day, or Pearl Harbor Day, to be fair :-).

How old are you, CC, and what’s your opinion on the Civil War?


55 posted on 08/06/2008 2:04:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When life gives you habaneros, make hot sauce!)
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To: clamper1797

“....Never make a pretty woman your wife ...”

I grand daddy told me to marry an ugly woman....

.....so when she left, I’d be glad!


56 posted on 08/06/2008 2:04:33 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: Knitebane
My late grandfather used to say, "Kissin' don't last. Cookin' do."

And that's why I married a real man who can also cook well. :)

57 posted on 08/06/2008 2:05:19 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Tax-chick
Okay, some truth to that

But we uhm call it the "War Between the States" here or the "War of the Northern Aggression"

58 posted on 08/06/2008 2:05:50 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

I married a Yank, so I had to compromise.


59 posted on 08/06/2008 2:07:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick (When life gives you habaneros, make hot sauce!)
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To: TheWasteLand

I wonder what the percentage of men under the age of 30 (or 40) who can change a tire is?

And how about the percentage who can kickstart a Harley?


60 posted on 08/06/2008 2:08:14 PM PDT by kickonly88
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