Posted on 08/05/2008 7:20:42 AM PDT by pissant
Independent analysts, working separately, have discovered that the original Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth used in the fabrication of the Barack Obama "birth certificate" belongs to the Presidential candidate's younger half-sister, Maya.
Examining the high resolution image originally posted by the "Daily Kos" left-wing blog and subsequently claimed as authentic by the campaign, and posted in lower resolution on the campaign official "Fight the Smears" website, at least two analysts have been able to independently discern the name "Maya Kassandra Soetoro" from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document. Additional confirmatory information, such as her birthday and the nationality of her father have also been resurrected. A full report documenting all details is to be published in the coming days.
The dramatic development comes just a day after a forensic specialist, posting on the Texas Darling blog under the name Techdude (his real name is known to Israel Insider), announced the discovery of the identity of the original owner of the COLB document used in the forgery but would initially only indicate that it was a woman born in the 1970's. However, he provided enough clues to enable another graphic specialist (screen name KG) to independently reproduce the incriminating evidence. (Techdude had said that he wanted to give the guilty parties time to confess to the forgery, but also to allow independent confirmation of his discovery. He even offered to pay for a trip to Vegas to the first person to discover the name and detail the method by which it was discovered.)
According to Texas Darling, which exclusively published these latest revelations, there is more to come: "In the coming days, Techdude will provide a final report that fully discloses his discovery, and provides all the fancy technical data, images, formulae etc. that everyone has come to expect. He will respond to questions posted on this blog to the best of his ability. (NOTE: KG has asked Techdude to donate the trip funds to help retire Hillary's debt, and Techdude has agreed.)" In the meantime, KG has posted details on how artifacts of the name "Maya Kassandra Soetero" were discerned.
The revelation that the COLB of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents a "smoking gun" that appears to implicate Senator Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama "birth certificate" -- which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features -- to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission.
It appears unlikely, to say the least, that the campaign would have independently managed to obtain Maya's COLB, forged Barak's fake COLB using Maya's original, and verified the result as genuine without the candidate's knowledge and involvement. This is particularly true given the high profile treatment with which the campaign has treated the purported veracity of the supposed "birth certificate" in its Fight the Smears website. The apparent use of the Soetero document increases the likelihood of direct Obama involvement in the supply, production, and/or propagation of the forgery.
The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother -- not yet 19 at the time of his birth -- would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on "natural born citizenship" automatically.
There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book Dreams from My Father, specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists.
Intriguingly, too, Maya Soetoro-Ng is believed to have been born outside the United States, in Indonesia, so her apparent ownership of a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth raises questions about how such a document was produced for an Indonesian-born girl. That, too, may shed light on Barack Obama's citizenship status and his ability, or inability, to document it.
Ironically, but perhaps not coincidentally, the Obama campaign has challenged the credentials of Republican opponent John McCain, because he makes no secret of being born out of the country, in Panama. But both of McCain's parents were Americans so, unlike Obama, are by statute able to pass on natural born citizen status to their foreign-born child.
Hillary has. Through the invaluable research and posting at Texas Darling.
Hillary never does anything herself. She just plays herself off as the relunctant leader who will do what ‘the people’ ask of her. *sigh*
who will give power to someone like that? The media, hollywood, foreign countries...
You think a person who is the citizen of a foreign nation can be the leader of the United States?
Thank you, pissant.
Pinging everyone.
That's been asked but not answered. The bigger problem with the Maya certificate theory is that the techniques used are not reproducible. See the link in post 143 for example.
Oh definitely he was the US longer. He’s been here since the age of 10.
Either way, something is fishy.
It looks like my favourite “Dog with a bone” is hitting marrow.
Well done, Pissant.
You are correct. There is also nothing preventing most Americans from voting against a presidential candidate *because* he holds dual citizenship.
This seems a much more likely reason for forging a birth certificate than Obama being born outside of the U.S.
If he holds dual citizenship, a lot of fence sitters will hold it against him.
She doesn't want to be seen as pouncing on this. If it isn't true people will call her a sore loser who is trying to get Obama to lose in November. And if it is true the democrats will be mad at her for taking out their Messiah and they might go with someone else as their nominee. Or lets just say they let her be the nominee, there will be a whole bunch of pissed off black voters that are going to stay home and throw the presidential election to the republicans. It might even effect house and senate races if that segment of the vote doesn't come out.
If the Constitution doesn't forbid it (and it doesn't) AND the States chuse 270 electors for President of the United States who vote for that person, of course he/she can.
Tue Aug 5 09:32:22 2008 · 4,254 of 4,254
null and void to ASA Vet
If He isn't qualified Hillary will make it known on day one of the Commie Convention in Denver.
No she won't.
She will be floating serenely above the fray while her flying monkeys do the dirty work.
If the Obamaniacs think she had anything personally to do with his demise, they'd vote for the republican liberal instead of the democrat liberal just out of pure spite.
Operation Chaos - FUD Special Ops
“but if I understand correctly, the USA does not for anyone over age 18, they MUST choose. The US certainly does not recognize dual citizenship for elected officials!”
The USA has not required dual citizens to choose for many years. I do not know if they require elected officials to give up a citizenship in another country when they take office. I have never heard of such a requirement.
It’d be interesting to see this argued before the Supremes. It still seems like a big grey area and very subjective. Personally, I think they’d side with Obama’s being qualified, even if born in a foreign country, simply due to the status of his mother. It would raise many problems if young female American citizens had citizenship questions about children born either in or out of wedlock, fathered by foreign nationals, at least leaving them in limbo. It seems common-sense here. If the mother is an American citizen, unless she has renounced her citizenship, it shouldn’t matter where the child is born, as the child would still be considered a citizen of the U.S. (and hence, qualified to run for President).
Now let me think....who was it that recently turned down public campaign funds?
Don't tell me....it'll come to me eventually.
I am aghast there is NO such requirement for elected officials if true. Words fail me that a citizen of another country may be President. This law should be changed PRONTO. I'm going to have to research this more and start writing all congress critters I can think of.
What a way for an enemy of this country to take over....natural born or not. So in effect, you can be born in the U.S. to muslem parents, be taken out of the country say at 2 days of age, raised in Saudi Arabia to Wahabbists, then come back into the U.S. and run for President as a 'natural born' citizen with the intent to take this country down. And that's just ONE example!
Scarey stuff.
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