They could snatch his name from the nomination in an instant....and they've already had practice at doing so.
Posted on 08/05/2008 7:20:42 AM PDT by pissant
Independent analysts, working separately, have discovered that the original Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth used in the fabrication of the Barack Obama "birth certificate" belongs to the Presidential candidate's younger half-sister, Maya.
Examining the high resolution image originally posted by the "Daily Kos" left-wing blog and subsequently claimed as authentic by the campaign, and posted in lower resolution on the campaign official "Fight the Smears" website, at least two analysts have been able to independently discern the name "Maya Kassandra Soetoro" from artifacts left behind in the process of forging a new fake document for Barack from an image of Maya's original document. Additional confirmatory information, such as her birthday and the nationality of her father have also been resurrected. A full report documenting all details is to be published in the coming days.
The dramatic development comes just a day after a forensic specialist, posting on the Texas Darling blog under the name Techdude (his real name is known to Israel Insider), announced the discovery of the identity of the original owner of the COLB document used in the forgery but would initially only indicate that it was a woman born in the 1970's. However, he provided enough clues to enable another graphic specialist (screen name KG) to independently reproduce the incriminating evidence. (Techdude had said that he wanted to give the guilty parties time to confess to the forgery, but also to allow independent confirmation of his discovery. He even offered to pay for a trip to Vegas to the first person to discover the name and detail the method by which it was discovered.)
According to Texas Darling, which exclusively published these latest revelations, there is more to come: "In the coming days, Techdude will provide a final report that fully discloses his discovery, and provides all the fancy technical data, images, formulae etc. that everyone has come to expect. He will respond to questions posted on this blog to the best of his ability. (NOTE: KG has asked Techdude to donate the trip funds to help retire Hillary's debt, and Techdude has agreed.)" In the meantime, KG has posted details on how artifacts of the name "Maya Kassandra Soetero" were discerned.
The revelation that the COLB of Obama's own sister was evidently used to create the electronic forgery represents a "smoking gun" that appears to implicate Senator Obama directly. Hawaii law limits access to vital records to family members only, a fact which slowed down the ability of researchers to compare the purported Obama "birth certificate" -- which displayed from the start a peculiar provenance and inexplicable features -- to genuine specimens. Therefore, it would seem that either Maya K. Soetoro-Ng (as she is now called) supplied the document or its image to half-brother Barack or his campaign, or Obama/his campaign used it without her permission.
It appears unlikely, to say the least, that the campaign would have independently managed to obtain Maya's COLB, forged Barak's fake COLB using Maya's original, and verified the result as genuine without the candidate's knowledge and involvement. This is particularly true given the high profile treatment with which the campaign has treated the purported veracity of the supposed "birth certificate" in its Fight the Smears website. The apparent use of the Soetero document increases the likelihood of direct Obama involvement in the supply, production, and/or propagation of the forgery.
The stakes couldn't be higher. Even the Snopes anti-rumor site acknowledges that Obama's constitutional fitness to be president depends solely on his being born in the United States, because his mother -- not yet 19 at the time of his birth -- would not have had a sufficient number of years as an adult citizen, according to the laws prevailing at the time, to pass on "natural born citizenship" automatically.
There have been reports, so far unconfirmed, that Obama was born outside the country, either in Kenya, his presumed father's native land, or in Canada. The fact that the Obama campaign has been touting as genuine a forgery since June 12 will likely increase pressure to not only account for the fake but produce a genuine paper birth certificate. Obama, in his book Dreams from My Father, specifically mentioned having such a document in his possession, but it has not been submitted for public inspection or analysis if it in fact exists.
Intriguingly, too, Maya Soetoro-Ng is believed to have been born outside the United States, in Indonesia, so her apparent ownership of a Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth raises questions about how such a document was produced for an Indonesian-born girl. That, too, may shed light on Barack Obama's citizenship status and his ability, or inability, to document it.
Ironically, but perhaps not coincidentally, the Obama campaign has challenged the credentials of Republican opponent John McCain, because he makes no secret of being born out of the country, in Panama. But both of McCain's parents were Americans so, unlike Obama, are by statute able to pass on natural born citizen status to their foreign-born child.
Why is that an issue? His obtaining dual citizenship through his father is completely irrelevant to his eligibility to run for President.
If he is a dual, not eligible for POTUS.
There is nothing preventing a natural-born American citizen who is also a citizen of another country from running for President. My kids will be dual-citizens from birth because I am a dual Canadian/American citizen, but they will be eligible to run for President.
According to Judah, he has spoken with a Hawaii tech person in the Hawaii government (would have to research to get exactly) and he said “There is no way this came from us”. Now we can’t compare with uneducated eyes, these are people who study computers and what they can do for a living.
No... I don't have the statute handy but I bet someone will post it.
This is really getting interesting!
“We know nothing about them or the processes they used to come to their conclusions”
I’m sorry, but that is just false. We know quite a bit about techdude and even MORE about his processes since he has documented them through pages and pages of explanations and direct photos. Maybe you should check them out on texasdarlin’s site???
They could snatch his name from the nomination in an instant....and they've already had practice at doing so.
That IS interesting.
Doubtful- the certificate has already been released. If it is not a certificate issued by the State of Hawaii, or has been illegally altered, then there is no privacy violation in them pointing out that this is not a legitimate document.
so what you are saying is that somewhere out there there is a foreign country with Barak H. Obama’s name on a birth cirtificate.
That is what needs to be found.
Bingo. I remember reading somewhere in all of these threads a link to an Hawaii spokesperson who DID come out and say this certificate did not come from them.
I don’t think Techdude has made his case at all.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/08/truth-about-fake-birth-certificate.html
I also hate to defend Obama, but no one has even come close to showing that the COLB is a forgery, imo.
Techdude’s very first photo example seems to be incorrect. He seems to claim that the end of a diagonal line is a remnant of a missing vertical line.
http://texasdarlin.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/map_r02_c041.jpg
Regardless of the repercussions it would create within the dem party and the rest of the American left, I find it hard to believe that Hillary would not have been all over this situation a long time ago. With her power, money and connections its also hard to believe that she would not have been able to bribe someone in the Hawaiian govt to get an original copy of the “phony” certificate, or the real cert. showing his birth outside of the US. It sounds like this whole story is a case of wishful thinking. Of course, I certainly don’t put such breathtaking dishonesty past the Obamessiah or the dem. party. It’s what they both live on.
I think they said “We can’t tell if it came from us without the certification numbers”.
And we have no way of confirming this statement. If it is clear to people in Hawaii government that this is a forgery, why aren't they speaking up?
They are not annonymous many people know who they are, and if you read the article and saw the proof then you know it is a fake document. Besides that, fake or not, Obamaosama has yet to prove he is eligible to run for office of President and it is up to him to prove. As I said I don’t think you have good reading comprehension skills. From the way you talk, here and on other threads, trying to discourage any investigation into Obama’s background I would think you want to get him elected. I hope all the states ask this a**hat of a candidate for proof of his eligibility to run and even if only half of them find him not eligible, that will take his butt out of the race. Here’s hoping!
Didn’t he call his Grandmother a racist.Remember this was early 60’s. How would she feel about her daughter having a baby with a black man. Wouldnt she demand/rush her daughter back to US territory (Hawaii) to get that COLB. Bad enough if he was born out of country. As far as the sister’s connection to the BC/COLB I just can’t put that together. Who are her parents (mother)If she was born elsewhere, why take her to Hawaii to get a COLB? So many questions. NO answers.
Actually he has shown enough of them already but he is preparing a complete report. The graphics I have seen clearly show this COLB posted on KOS to be a fake and to be that of his sister. Which is strange to say the least. We will just have to wait and see what happens, but the main thing is this: Fake document or not, Obama has yet to prove he was born in Hawaii and it is up to him to prove it, not up to the people to prove either way.
Of course Hillary's people are pushing this, the whole website of TexasDarlling is a Hillary hot bed. Let me ask you, wouldn't you push it if you were Hillary and in such a way you could say you were not really involved in exposing this?
Hillary won't win if she gets the nomination, but Obama would be crushed forever and that is what I am hoping for.
Here’s some information that sheds light on the matter:
Law in effect at the time only granted natural-born citizenship to a child of one American parent born overseas IF that parent had resided at least ten years in the U.S., of which five had to be after the age of 16 — i.e., Ann Dunham was not old enough to automatically confer citizenship on her son.
I’ve said all along Hillary will be the nominee since some blockbuster (whatever it is) will come out this month before the convention, or DURING the convention.
She’s only SUSPENDED her campaign, and is waiting in the wings..
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