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OSU engineer: Hydrogen system in autos a scam (!)
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| 7-31-2008
| By Steve Lathrop
Posted on 07/31/2008 11:54:15 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: editor-surveyor
LOL, as a matter of fact...
You take care bud.
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:17:39 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
To: DoughtyOne
Well, lets go right to the 'experts' on this system:
"Warren admitted his mileage dropped significantly after several fill-ups..."
(Hunting)" It runs off excess power from the alternator.
Stupid statement as their is NO EXCESS POWER from the alternator.
To: editor-surveyor
A nuclear bomb is from a statistical point of view 100% efficient. Nothing else comes close. Capiche? Why is a nuclear bomb 100% efficient and a hydrogen explosion NOT 100% efficient. Both work on the same principle:
E=MC2
To: Rick.Donaldson
You got it all wrong.
We’re talking about the hazards of practical handling, and from that respect, the only other fuels that are even close to being as dangerous as hydrogen are methanol and ethanol.
Static charges that are so small that they are undetectable to instruments can ignite all three of the above. Not so for gasoline.
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:22:38 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
To: ColdWater
You need to admit that you don’t understand what is being discussed. A hydrogen explosion has no relation whatsoever to any nuclear reaction.
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:24:38 PM PDT
by
editor-surveyor
(Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
To: ColdWater
hydrogen explosion NOT 100% efficient. Both work on the same principle:
E=MC2 If you are talking about hydrogen combustion, it is not an E=MC2 reaction. It is a chemical reaction that releases energy breaking/creating molecular, not atomic, bonds.
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:26:15 PM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer)
To: editor-surveyor
You need to admit that you dont understand what is being discussed. A hydrogen explosion has no relation whatsoever to any nuclear reaction. Whatever. However, you are ducking the question. Please explain why a nuclear reaction is 100% efficient and a hydrogen explosion is not.
To: thackney
If you are talking about hydrogen combustion, it is not an E=MC2 reaction.But it is.
To: ColdWater
No, burning hydrogen does not convert mass to energy.
The mass of the reactants will equal the products.
2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O
There are equal amounts of each element on both sides of the equation.
A nuclear reaction is not the same.
169
posted on
08/01/2008 12:31:44 PM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer)
To: ColdWater
Like I said before, you need to back up your nonsense with a better education. You are way off on both counts. A thermonuclear reaction is atomic in nature and falls under E=MC2. A Hydrogen explosion in normal atmosphere is a thermo-chemical reaction in nature and on a molecular level and is governed under the laws of thermodynamics .
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:34:38 PM PDT
by
PSYCHO-FREEP
(Juan McCain....The lesser of Three Liberals.")
To: ColdWater
Well, lets go right to the 'experts' on this system:
"Warren admitted his mileage dropped significantly after several fill-ups..." That's an interesting comment to highlight. If Warren is your expert, didn't he also state or imply that his mileage did go up for several tanks full? Why?
(Hunting)" It runs off excess power from the alternator. Stupid statement as their is NO EXCESS POWER from the alternator. I can't see how it could enhance this process even if it did, so in that we certainly agree. (Stupid statement)
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:34:53 PM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(I'm a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 1, who won't be voting for McCain.)
To: thackney
No, burning hydrogen does not convert mass to energy. The mass of the reactants will equal the products. 2H2 + O2 -> 2H2O There are equal amounts of each element on both sides of the equation. A nuclear reaction is not the same. Actually, the masses are different, according the the formula E=MC2.
To: editor-surveyor
Electric to heat is 100% efficient, if you don't count where the electric comes from.
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:36:13 PM PDT
by
Realism
(Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
To: DoughtyOne
didn't he also state or imply that his mileage did go up for several tanks full? Why?I must have missed that statment...
To: ColdWater
Correct.
And the difference in mass is represented by the chemical bonds that are formed when hydrogen burns.
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:38:04 PM PDT
by
djf
(Locusts? Locusts??! What a podunk plague! Let me tell you about the Bernankes...)
To: ColdWater
Are you claiming the 4 hydrogen atoms and 2 oxygen atoms on the left side of the equation have a different mass than right?
E = M x C2 is only applicable when converting mass to energy. A chemical reaction does not do this. It changes chemical energy as found in the molecular bonds and results in a change in heat.
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:41:23 PM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer)
To: thackney
To: djf
And the difference in mass is represented by the chemical bonds that are formed when hydrogen burns. No, electrons are released or moved in chemical reactions, they are not destroyed or created. There is no change in mass.
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:43:12 PM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer)
To: ColdWater
Thanks but I covered all this in far greater detail while getting my engineering degree.
What mass do you believe is created or destroyed in the chemical reaction?
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posted on
08/01/2008 12:44:37 PM PDT
by
thackney
(life is fragile, handle with prayer)
To: thackney
“No, electrons are released or moved in chemical reactions, they are not destroyed or created. There is no change in mass.”
Did you read my link?
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