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The Obama Doctrine: Bringing Us Into Submission
Townhall.com ^ | 7/28/2008 | Scott Ott

Posted on 07/28/2008 4:22:39 PM PDT by asksimon

Every time you hear Sen. Barack Obama say that Afghanistan is the central front in the war against terror, you should cringe, and then stock up on imperishable food, gold coin, jerry cans of diesel, and ammo...lots of ammo.

The Democrat presidential nominee has yet to comprehend the nature of the enemy. Frankly, most Republicans are also afraid to call it what it is.

We're not at war against terror. Terrorism is merely a set of tactics used by those who lack the muscle to wage conventional war. Terrorism consists primarily of spectacular acts of cowardice designed to scare women, children and other non-combatants in order to intimidate governments into submission. We're not at war against terror.

We're not even at war against al-Qaeda -- that's just a particular brand name of a product that's distributed worldwide under dozens of labels but contains the same active ingredient. We're at war with people who cling to an ideology that is nothing less than Satanic. Even if you think that Satan is no more than an abstract concept created to represent evil in the human heart, you must know that this wickedness has taken millions captive. It has done so mainly through a particular channel -- Islam -- a word which, appropriately, means 'submission'.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; foreignpolicy; globaljihad; islam; mohammedanism; obama; submission; trop; waronterror; wot
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To: asksimon
The only strategy that has ever worked for the U.S. to win wars is to take ground and hold it with sufficient force of arms.

In Vietnam, and in Iraq, when we played at the Vietcongs/AlQaeda's game of tit for tat we could keep them at bay, but never turn the corner.

Unless Islam rises as one nation, raises a standing army, and starts grabbing territory they can never hope to batter the west into submission.

Yes they may be capable of horrible acts of violence including the deployment of weapons of mass destruction, and yes we need to do what we can to protect ourselves against such possibilities.

But nowhere do I see that a true Caliphate is being created, or an Islamic standing army, or any real attempt to grab and hold land.

Sending hoardes of Muslim immigrants into Western Europe may seem like a good strategy at first, but what is to prevent the Muslims from going native and becoming addicted to internet porn and fried pork before the call for war is made?

Afghanistan (along with NW Pakistan) may not be the only beachhead in the current war on terror, but it is a significant one that needs to be dealt with.

If our success in Iraq allows us to spare a few more troops to go to that region then I say that it is a very good thing to do. And if Obama kinda sort agrees with that sentiment then I agree with him on at least one thing.

21 posted on 07/28/2008 5:34:08 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Dick Bachert

Speaking of the FBI I heard briefly on the radio today that the FBI was going to accept non-American citizens into their ranks as employees. Bizarre and imo, the wrong thing to do.


22 posted on 07/28/2008 5:40:01 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Thanks, that does make me feel better. Militarily, they don’t stand a chance and they know it.
What I’m most concerned about and hits a little closer to home is the willingness of the 5th column in the U.S.A. (Liberal media and politicians, Islamic lobbyists, and all their little minions)to undermine the foundations of our nation from within.
It was bureaucratic bickering in D.C. that cost us Vietnam, and is a great factor in Iraq. This unwillingness to use force against a definable enemy that would submit to it (no pun intended) is a Washington failure with dire cost.
These litle armies like al-sadr’s mahdi army can become definite threats unless they are ruthlessly crushed, and while our fighting men are able and willing to do so, their hands are tied by paperwork.
Shameful.


23 posted on 07/28/2008 5:49:52 PM PDT by asksimon (I'd rather be a rightwing nutjob, Then a lib with no job and no nuts.)
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To: asksimon; Stephanie32

“Whenever I get angry at the President I just remind myself that Al Gore was the alternative for 9/11.”

And remember how Clinton allowed the terrorists to proliferate for 8 years. We have hindsight but think of what GW was up against in the early part of his presidency.


24 posted on 07/28/2008 5:53:04 PM PDT by Stephanie32
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To: snippy_about_it

When I read that a little vein started to twitch in my forehead. Did you happen to get a source?
I’ll look for it.
How in the world is that possible? Are we that far removed from reality?


25 posted on 07/28/2008 5:54:18 PM PDT by asksimon (I'd rather be a rightwing nutjob, Then a lib with no job and no nuts.)
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To: asksimon
The fifth column definitely aided and abetted the Communists, but then that was just leftists supporting leftists.

I have a hard time believing that the NY Times, et al really want an Islamic Caliphate to come into being.

They are definitely aiding and abetting in undermining our morals and our morale, and setting us up for defeat, but when the Islamists start to take control ... if they ever do ... then I believe the leftists will turn against them.

The leftists did fight against Franco, and so there is some historical case to be made that the leftists will be on our side if a bitter fight to the death ever shapes up.

People say that history always repeats itself, but not exactly. The Russian Communists and the Chinese Communists did not suffer the same fate upon the world-wide collapse of Communism.

The Muslims may have been able to take over much of Spain for several centuries before being routed, but that doesn't mean we are fated to suffer the same consequence.

26 posted on 07/28/2008 6:10:09 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: snippy_about_it
"the FBI was going to accept non-American citizens into their ranks as employees"

I imagine that the CIA does that, at least in terms of hiring foreigners as temporary contractors to help gather info and sow misinformation.

Since foreigners are now a major threat to our internal security, it might be necessary for the FBI to hire foreigners for the same reasons.

I would hate to find out that improperly vetted foreigners are working at FBI central headquarters with access to critical classified information, but if I found out we had a few foreigners working as stringers then it would actually make me think that the FBI was not as Keystone Koppish as they sometimes appear to be.

27 posted on 07/28/2008 6:14:43 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

God alone knows the end of all things, my FRiend.
True. The biggest problem with the leftist mentality, at least in this regard, is that they are willfully ignorant of the threat against them and all too often are willing to champion the enemies of freedom.
They are like a bird nesting on the viper’s eggs.
I have to agree with Mark Steyn however that Europe is on the brink of Islamization, and the U.S. has displayed a great weakness in view of this threat.
I think our location will be a succesful buffer which Islam will have a hard time breaching, but time is on their side.
Thank God history is not.


28 posted on 07/28/2008 6:20:56 PM PDT by asksimon (I'd rather be a rightwing nutjob, Then a lib with no job and no nuts.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I’d have to try to find the story. What we heard on the radio was that they wanted more diversity.


29 posted on 07/28/2008 6:27:12 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
I did find this, but still looking.
FBI In Birmingham Celebrates 100 Years With Luncheon Celebration
Written by: Lisa Crane and Shannon Delcambre Published: July 25, 2008 THE F-B-I CITIZENS’ ACADEMY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION HELD A DIVERSITY LUNCHEON IN HONOR OF THE BUREAU’S 100TH ANNIVERSARY. THE CELEBRATION HAPPENED INSIDE ZAMORA SHINE IN IRONDALE. MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE FROM ALL BRANCHES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS STATE AND LOCAL POLITICIANS GATHERED TO HONOR THE FBI AND ITS ACCOMPLISHMENTS OVER THE YEARS. THE DIVERSITY LUINCHEON FEATURED FOOD FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO REFLECT THE DIVERSITY OF THE FBI OVER THE PAST 100 YEARS. THE FBI’S ROLE HAS CHANGED A LOT IN THE PAST CENTURY, PERHAPS MORE SO IN THE PAST DECADE, THAN EVER BEFORE. FBI SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE IN BHM, CARMEN S. ADAMS, SAYS SINCE 9/11, THE FBI HAS MOVED MORE HEAVILY INTO THE INTELLIGENCE PART OF ITS MISSION. SAC ADAMS SAYS SHE IS MOST PROUD OF THE MANY PUBLIC CORRUPTION CONVICTIONS THE FBI HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH LOCALLY IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS.

Sorry to spring that on you, guy's. Should've had a gag alert. Emphasis mine.
30 posted on 07/28/2008 6:38:11 PM PDT by asksimon (I'd rather be a rightwing nutjob, Then a lib with no job and no nuts.)
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To: snippy_about_it
I am suspicious when people make claims that some one person is capable of destroying America as we know it.

Most of us around here believe that even 6 million human beings with all of our carbon output and all of the pollution, deforestation, etc. are incapable of making any long term meaningful change to the global climate.

Why should we believe that one man, no matter how odious or naive, is capable of turning the USA into Tehran in one generation?

Jimmy Carter lead us a long way down the path of good intentions, but we did not enter Hell.

Obama may do likewise, but I still have faith that there are enough good Americans around that we will be keeping this ship afloat long after he is out of the public eye.

McCain seems like he would be a better choice than Obama, but I am not so excited about him either. Either way the US will be worse off four years from now than it is today.

But then we can hope for another conservative resurgence.

31 posted on 07/28/2008 6:38:11 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: asksimon
From the FBI website FAQ:

16. I am a citizen of another country. May I apply?

No. All FBI employees must be United States citizens. If you are a U.S. citizen and hold dual citizenship with another country, the FBI Security Division will have to review your file to make a determination if you are eligible for employment with the FBI.

32 posted on 07/28/2008 6:43:33 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
Yeah, I saw that one. Citizenship is still the first requirement for any position.
The CIA ran into a problem in Somalia because it only had one indigent agent. (Who had an unfortunate accident while playing Russian roulette.)
That has thankfully changed. Afghanistan and Iraq has seen a renewal of indigent employees involved in field work. It seems that there had been a tendency in the 80's and early 90's to put less emphasis on old fashioned legwork and replace it with technological tools.
However, to bring nationals in to police our citizenry in the FBI would be foolhardy. Diversity, great; outsourcing, no thanks.
33 posted on 07/28/2008 6:54:26 PM PDT by asksimon (I'd rather be a rightwing nutjob, Then a lib with no job and no nuts.)
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To: asksimon

foreign nationalists, I meant. Sorry.


34 posted on 07/28/2008 6:56:29 PM PDT by asksimon (I'd rather be a rightwing nutjob, Then a lib with no job and no nuts.)
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