A man should not believe in 'isms', he should believe in himself.' - Ferris Beuller
Posted on 07/26/2008 3:29:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
From the dictionary:
Marxism
1. The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.
Communism
1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members. Communism
2. a) A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people. b) The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.
Socialism
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
2. The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
Capitalism
1. An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
Freedom
1. The condition of being free of restraints.
2. Liberty of the person from slavery, detention, or oppression.
3. a) Political independence. b) Exemption from the arbitrary exercise of authority in the performance of a specific action; civil liberty: freedom of assembly.
Liberty
1. a) The condition of being free from restriction or control. b) The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing. c) The condition of being physically and legally free from confinement, servitude, or forced labor. See synonyms at freedom.
2. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
3. A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights.
Republic
1. a) A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president. b) A nation that has such a political order.
2. a) A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them. b) A nation that has such a political order.
Constitution of the United States of America
Fundamental law of the U.S. federal system of government and a landmark document of the Western world. It is the oldest written national constitution in operation, completed in 1787 at the Constitutional Convention of 55 delegates who met in Philadelphia, ostensibly to amend the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution was ratified in June 1788, but because ratification in many states was contingent on the promised addition of a Bill of Rights, Congress proposed 12 amendments in September 1789; 10 were ratified by the states, and their adoption was certified on Dec. 15, 1791. The framers were especially concerned with limiting the power of the government and securing the liberty of citizens. The Constitution's separation of the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government, the checks and balances of each branch against the other, and the explicit guarantees of individual liberty were all designed to strike a balance between authority and liberty. Article I vests all legislative powers in the Congress — the House of Representatives and the Senate. Article II vests executive power in the president. Article III places judicial power in the hands of the courts. Article IV deals, in part, with relations among the states and with the privileges of the citizens, Article V with amendment procedure, and Article VI with public debts and the supremacy of the Constitution. Article VII stipulates that the Constitution would become operational after being ratified by nine states. The 10th Amendment limits the national government's powers to those expressly listed in the Constitution; the states, unless otherwise restricted, possess all the remaining (or "residual") powers of government. Amendments to the Constitution may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress or by a convention called by Congress on the application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the states. (All subsequent amendments have been initiated by Congress.) Amendments proposed by Congress must be ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures or by conventions in as many states. Twenty-seven amendments have been added to the Constitution since 1789. In addition to the Bill of Rights, these include the 13th (1865), abolishing slavery; the 14th (1868), requiring due process and equal protection under the law; the 15th (1870), guaranteeing the right to vote regardless of race; the 17th (1913), providing for the direct election of U.S. senators; the 19th (1920), instituting women's suffrage, and the 22nd (1951), limiting the presidency to two terms.
Obamaism (see also abomination)
A belief that the Constitution of the United States of America is obsolete, that capitalism exploits and oppresses the ignorant masses, that government knows better than the people on how to conduct their private affairs, that centralized government planning and control of the economy is superior to free markets, that free republics are evil and racist, that self-defense, national defense, national security are the tools of hateful war mongers, that nations should erase their borders, destroy their means of national defense, dissolve their constitutions and submit to control by world governments, that the ideas of freedom, free nations, free people, liberty, capitalism, etc, are failures that should be replaced by world government control, socialism, Marxism, etc. Can't we all just get along?
Quix, when I start a thread with one of my own opuses (and there’s no intent here to diminish Jim’s comments at all, I liked them), I like to let folks have a day or two to provide their own views on the topic.
I know what you mean. I’m saying what my preference is. Your take may be better than my own for all I know.
Take care.
Like a 2-3 year old little boy in a family I used to live with . . .
“i pent, I pent” for repent.
It’s amazing what things were remember all these years later. That was cute.
Hey, some of us are getting into the age ranges where
memory of any kind
can be cherished! LOL.
I personally hold the belief of minarchism.
read later
You’re going to have to provide more evidence, if I’m to believe that about you. LOL
LOL.
PRAISE GOD, MINE IS PRETTY WELL INTACT SO FAR.
But at 61 . . . there are . . . changes.
I may fantasize that I’m still the 18-22 year old in my BA program . . .
but somewhere . . . I know, I’m not.
Don’t buy into that too much. Sure there are changes, but don’t discount your ability to offer up sound advice based on your life experience. Providing you can remember it. Heh heh heh...
THANKS TONS for your kind words.
However,
THOSE types of experiences are the MOST UNforgettable!
LOL.
Glad they can be fertilizer for somebody’s flowers!
LUB
Well there have been days when I felt like I was full of fertilizer. ;-)
Before that,
you thought you were EXEMPT???
LOL. ROTFLOL!
LUB
I didn't know anybody was still saying that. Do you still believe it?
Just looking at #41's Presidency and his poor attempt at a campaign, I lay the blame on him, not the voters.
IOW: if GHWBush had been a patriot in the first place, Perot would never have gotten any traction.
Meaning what, 'xactly?
Are you saying that there is no fundamental difference between the two?
A man should not believe in 'isms', he should believe in himself.' - Ferris Beuller
*if GHWBush had been a patriot in the first place*
What sh**
so being a 19 year old pilot in WWII and being shot down
and winning the Distinguished Flying Cross is not being a patriot for your country.
These third party wusses who have not served in the military or faced the enemy hide behind their false manhood
because they couldn’t be the men such as GHWB or McCain
What about his actions AFTER becoming POTUS?
THAT's when he was not patriotic.
What has his long-ago military service got to do with his more recent Chief Executive service?
Or maybe he gets a lifetime pass? Nobody else does.
You need to get your head out.
My dear dad passed away believing to the core that he had helped elect Clinton via his ignorant vote for Perot.
So, yes, it is still being said and believed by people who know what they are talking about.
Perot’s hatred for GHWB fueled his campaign, and fooled a lot of people.
It is always interesting how some on FR Rip Republicans and the Democrats get a free ride just like the hands off policy with Obama.
The L Ron Paul, Bobby Barr, and Chuck Baldwin men wanna bees have more in common with Obama with their anti war, pro ACLU, 9/11 an inside job and Holocaust Deniers
such as Alex Jones as a supporter among other nut cases.
Barr an ACLU amployee , for Gay marriage, supports global warming
Along with this bunch being anti war and sharing views with Obama, Cendy Sheehen Michael Moore, and George Soros.
Ron Paul and Bob Barr are those of a libertarian stripe and are completely different in cause and purpose than liberals. You can lump them all together as anti-war cookes, but that really doesn’t fit. The libertarian opposition to the war may seem to overlap with liberal opposition, but the opposition stems from entirely different principles for each group.
Liberals don’t like any wielding of military might unless they are the ones doing it for their own purposes. Because they view the military as tool to wield power in their own selfinterest, they are cynical about whenever anyone else does it, even if it is for some obvious greater good such as the physical and economic safety of the whole. Their cyniscism is not surprising since they are the closest thing to communists that America is willing to tolerate and could never possibly understand a leader who is acting in the best interest of the nation as whole, rather than simply serving party interests. Their opposition to the Patriot Act comes mostly from their own fear that they personally will be targeted and their secret agendas exposed.
Libertarians on the other hand loath government power, period, and would rather have the government focused on economic and constitutionally sanctioned activities only. They would prefer America stick to founding intent to not have standing armies for more than a period of 2 years. To them, national defense means calling up the militia to defend against invaders, not going on the offensive and kicking butt half way across the world, deserved or not. If Iraq had direct participation in 9/11, their opposition may not have been so strong, but the guilt by association thing was just too much for them.
I personally did not understand their desire to vacate the battle field once the Iraq War had started. It appeared more to me that they were partnering with liberals (making deals with the devil) in a common political purpose, one having little to do with the war itself, but more to do with punishing republicans for ditching them. If this was the case, it was a rather short sighted strategy as any traction gained was to the benefit of liberals and libertarians would get nothing for it (and they haven’t). When was the last time Cato was represented on a congressional hearing panel, three years ago?
Ron Paul is really the only one of the bunch of names you listed who can explain in detail so one can map cause and effect of why he opposed the war. None of the other people can, at least in public and that leads me to believe there is far more in their rhetoric than meets the eye.
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