Posted on 07/18/2008 9:19:41 AM PDT by Ebenezer
The action was DELIBERATE. The MISTAKE was not taking responsibility.....something Obama noted to his fellow blacks before Jesse cut off his OO.
I am one Catholic firmly AGAINST Obama...and you can add a voting husband and 7 of his siblings and all of their spouses and his parents...
In fact, I am the one who has any Catholic D voters in the family (I know...so sad) but they are full of $&@* on all political issues and haven’t followed a Catholic doctrine...probably ever...
More likely a lot of people who think they are Catholic but aren't; having earned themselves a latae sententiae excommunication by their involvement in the pro-abortion cause.
-they frequent my church, and I do not understand them.
“Who are these Catholics? They are an eclectic bunch, from politicians like Senator Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), Democratic Governor Tim Kaine (Va.), Democratic Governor Bill Richardson (N.M.), Representative Patrick Kennedy (D-Mass.), Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.), and Senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) to Dan Rooney, owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers football team.”
These people are CINO’s Catholics in name only and probably don’t practice the Catholic religion. In reality they should be ex-communicated, but unfortunately that will not happen.
Thanks for sharing that HRWR. It seems to me here at FR we have been down this road about a billion times.
But here being anti-Catholic remains the one prejudice to be proud of to many.
What the deal is that people whom call themselves Catholic but never attend service and there is a lot of them, tend to be liberal.
Those that attend once a week or more are very conservative.
I don’t think this has changed much in the last 20 years and if anything I’d wager the divide is greater now than ever.
That one shocked me. I don't know much about Dan Rooney but Art Rooney was a true Catholic. This article has depressed the hell out of me.
There sure are, but the election in '04 gave me some hope - my best friend, a far better Catholic than I will ever be, and a lifelong Democrat, could not bring herself to vote for Kerry. She had managed to vote for all the Protestant pro-abort candidates, but said that the Catholic Kerry knew better. I was REALLY hoping for another pro-abort Catholic Democrat this time. Maybe Obama will pick Bob Casey (whose Dad is undoubtedly spinning in his grave) for his running mate.
You can add Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, and every other sectlet claiming to be Christian to that list as well. The vast majority of folks backing bambi who call themselves Christian are NOT Catholic, after all.
I’m speachless...
The pols named are Catholic in name only. I would think that Casey’s father is weeping in heaven over his son’s backing of barry. And, any Catholic that uses “Catholic Social Teaching” as an excuse for voting for the party of death, should be ashamed, because they do not understand what this party is about.
Bingo. It's called choice. Politicians won't be able to end what moralists haven't. If women don't think it is wrong, neither will politicians. Don't put the cart before the horse, convince women first. Constitution prohibiting alcohol didn't work either.
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Exactly.
Vatican critiques of the death penalty have never been against the actual punishment of death for crimes, they have only criticised its application and fairness of the system that applies it.
Those that believe that Catholicims does not understand and recognize the distinction between guilt and innocence are fools.
Those that try to bring up the tired and idiotic catch phrase statement of “how can you be anti-abortion and pro death penalty” or such are folks who can’t distinguish the difference between guilt and innocence. Catholicism quite handily makes the distinctions. THose that try to portray holding those 2 views as hypocritical to one another are simply put intellectually dishonest, or just intellectually challenged.
I would not want to be in their shoes when these CINO’s meet God. They have excommunicated themselves by supporting abortion and commit a grave sin by taking the Sacrements of the Roman Catholic Church. My opinion is that their only hope is God’s mercy.
They may frequent the church, but the clearly have absolutely no understanding of the churches teachings. Showing up for mass every week does not remotely mean you have been exposed to or understand the doctrine of the Church, or more frighteningly the word of God.
The Catholic Church takes untold heat for its stands on abortion and birth control, but when you actually bother to find out how those stands are drawn from the basic fundamental truths of the world and God, there is truly no other conclusion one can make.
The rhetorical attacks the Church endures by those that hate her, are by and large based on complete ignorance.
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Any Catholic who obstinately denies that abortion is always gravely immoral, commits the sin of heresy and incurs an automatic sentence of excommunication.
Canon Law and Church Teaching Canon 1398: A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. Canon 751: Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him. Canon 1364 §1: an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. The phrase latae sententiae means a judgment or sentence which has already been brought, in other words, a sentence or judgment which does not need a future additional judgment from someone in authority; it refers to a type of excommunication which is automatic. Such a sentence of excommunication is incurred by the very commission of the offense, (CCC 2272) and does not require the future particular judgment of a case by competent authority. Apostasy, heresy, and schism are all offences which incur a sentence of excommunication automatically. Heresy is the obstinate denial of any truth of the Catholic faith, on a matter of faith or morals, which has been definitively taught by the Magisterium. The Magisterium has repeatedly and definitively taught that abortion is always gravely immoral. (CCC 2270 to 2275) Pope John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, n. 57: Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, and in communion with the Bishops of the Catholic Church, I confirm that the direct and voluntary killing of an innocent human being is always gravely immoral. This doctrine, based upon that unwritten law which man, in the light of reason, finds in his own heart (cf. Rom 2:14-15), is reaffirmed by Sacred Scripture, transmitted by the Tradition of the Church and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium. Obtaining an Abortion Any Catholic who deliberately and knowingly obtains a procured abortion commits a mortal sin and is also automatically excommunicated, under canon 1398. Under the laws of secular society, if one person commits a crime, then anyone who deliberately and knowingly provides essential or substantial means for that person to commit that crime is called an accessory to that crime and is also subject to the penalties of law. Similarly, any Catholic who deliberately and knowingly provides essential or substantial means for any woman to procure an abortion also commits a mortal sin and also incurs the same sentence of excommunication. Any Catholic who substantially assists another in the deliberate sin of abortion is also guilty of serious sin and also incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. Believing in Abortion Any Catholic who obstinately denies that abortion is always gravely immoral commits the sin of heresy. The sin of heresy also incurs a latae sententiae excommunication. Unfortunately, some Catholics obstinately deny that abortion is always immoral, and some Catholics claim that abortion can, at times, be a morally-acceptable choice, and some Catholics claim that a person can, in good conscience, choose abortion. Under the Code of Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church, canons 751 and 1364, all such Catholics are automatically excommunicated for the sin of heresy. This sentence of latae sententiae excommunication applies to any Catholic who denies that abortion is gravely immoral, regardless of whether they keep this denial hidden or publicly reveal it. Promoting Abortion Those Catholics who publicly announce their denial that abortion is always gravely immoral, or who publicly promote abortion, or who publicly argue in favor of legalized abortion, also commit a mortal sin and also incur a sentence of automatic excommunication. This sentence of excommunication applies to Catholics who are politicians, as well as to those Catholics who are political commentators, or public speakers, or who write or otherwise publicly communicate their erroneous view that abortion can be morally-acceptable or that abortion should be legal. This sentence of excommunication also certainly applies to those Catholics who claim to be theologians or Biblical scholars, but who believe or teach that abortion is not always gravely immoral. Those Catholics who promote abortion are automatically excommunicated for two reasons. First, they have fallen into the sin of heresy by believing that abortion is not always gravely immoral (canons 751 and 1364). Second, these Catholics are providing substantial assistance for women to obtain abortions by influencing public policy to make abortions legal, and to keep abortions legal, and to broaden access to abortion. Those who provide such substantial assistance commit a mortal sin and incur a sentence of automatic excommunication (canon 1398). Voting for Abortion Any Catholic politician who casts a vote with the intention of legalizing abortion, or of protecting laws allowing abortion, or of widening access to abortion, commits a mortal sin. When such a vote indicates that the Catholic politician believes that abortion is not always gravely immoral, such a politician incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication, under canons 751 and 1364, because of heresy. When such a vote is intended to have the effect of making abortion legal, or more easily obtainable, or more widely available, such a politician incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication, under canon 1398, as someone who is attempting to provide substantial or essential means for women to obtain abortions. Catholic politicians who pass laws which legalize, protect, or widen access to abortion, are providing essential assistance to women who want to obtain abortions. It is not sufficient for Catholic politicians to claim that they are personally opposed to abortion. If any Catholic politician favors legalized abortion, despite a claim of personal opposition, such a politician commits a mortal sin by promoting abortion and by voting in favor of abortion. The same is true for any Catholic who casts any vote with the intention of legalizing abortion, or of protecting laws allowing abortion, or of widening access to abortion. Such a voter commits a mortal sin and incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication for two reasons. First, they are committing the sin of heresy by believing that abortion should be legal and available. Second, they are committing the grievous sin of providing women with substantial or essential assistance in obtaining abortions, by attempting to legalize or broaden access to abortion. However, if, for a period of time, Catholic politicians and voters are unable to enact a law prohibiting all abortion, then Catholic politicians and voters may in good conscience vote for whichever law offers the greatest restrictions and limits on abortion. Subsequently, Catholic politicians and voters are required by the moral law to continue to enact further restrictions and limits on abortion, to the greatest extent possible, and, at every possible opportunity, to vote for laws which completely outlaw abortion. Voting for Politicians In general, the moral law requires Catholic voters to vote for those candidates who oppose abortion over those who favor abortion. However, there are exceptions to this general principle. For example, if a political candidate favors abortion, but is a member of a party which generally opposes abortion, a Catholic voter may, in good conscience, vote for that candidate, with the intention of giving more political power to the party which opposes abortion. In another case, a Catholic voter might, in good conscience, vote for a pro-abortion candidate, if the political office would offer no opportunity for the elected candidate to vote for or against abortion. Even so, every Catholic voter should consider that anyone who supports abortion, as if it were a womans right, or as if it could ever be a moral choice, must necessarily be someone who has a seriously limited understanding of morality and justice. Such a person would not often be the better candidate for any office in place of one who understands that abortion is gravely immoral. In every case, a Catholic should vote in such a way as to obtain as many restrictions on abortion as possible, and so as to obtain the end to legalized abortion as soon as possible. Constitutional Amendment Within any constitutional form of government, it would be ideal to have a constitutional clause or amendment which permanently and completely outlaws all procured abortions. Such an amendment must ban all abortions, regardless of circumstance, so that the direct and voluntary killing of an innocent prenatal human being will be always contrary to human law, just as it is always contrary to the moral law. A constitutional amendment can permit certain medical procedures, which are absolutely necessary to save the life of the mother, and which indirectly result in the unintended and unsought death of the prenatal, only if there is no possible way to save the life of the prenatal. A prenatal is defined as any human being from conception to birth. Every reasonable effort should be made to save the lives of both mother and prenatal. If the life of the prenatal can be saved by no other possible option than by risking or allowing the death of the mother, then the prenatal must be saved. Catholic teaching clearly allows for certain medical procedures, which indirectly and involuntarily result in the death of the prenatal, to save the life of the mother, but only when all options to save the life of the prenatal have been exhausted. Such a procedure is not an abortion and is not an exception wherein abortion is allowed. On the other hand, a constitutional amendment which bans abortion with exceptions for various cases, such as rape, incest, or a risk to the mothers life, would be worse than having no such amendment at all. Any woman who is willing to commit the sin of abortion, would also be willing to lie. If a constitutional amendment permitted abortion in cases of rape, then any woman willing to lie and to falsely claim that she was raped, would be able to also claim that she had a constitutional right to an abortion. The result would be that a constitutional amendment, which seems to ban abortion with some exceptions, would end up giving every woman who is willing to tell a lie, a purported constitutional right to abortion. This situation would be worse than having no such constitutional amendment at all. Therefore, the only acceptable pro-life constitutional amendment would be one that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, bans all procured abortions without exception. Here is an example of a just constitutional amendment protecting human life. --- by Ronald L. Conte Jr. |
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