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Radical Muslim Funding US Creationist Groups?
littlegreenfootballs ^ | Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:11:19 pm PDT

Posted on 07/11/2008 2:58:10 AM PDT by pending

Here’s an interesting article with lots of detail on the Turkish radical Islamic creationist Harun Yahya (real name: Adnan Oktar), who has joined forces with US creationist groups like the Institute for Creation Research, to promote their Dark Ages anti-science agenda around the world: Muslim creationist preaches Islam and awaits Christ.

ISTANBUL (Reuters) - Harun Yahya is one of the most widely distributed authors in the Muslim world. He may also be among the most widely criticized Muslim authors in the Western world.

His glossy books and DVDs on religion and science sell in Islamic bookshops around the globe. He gives away thousands of expensive volumes and lets readers download much of his work from his websites for free.

The Council of Europe accuses him of trying to infiltrate schools with religious extremism and French teachers are told to keep his work from their students.

Unknown outside Muslim circles two years ago, Adnan Oktar — the 52-year-old Turk behind the pseudonym Harun Yahya — caught the attention of scientists and teachers in Europe and North America by mass-mailing them his 768-page “Atlas of Creation”. His lavishly illustrated book preaches a Muslim version of creationism, the view scientists usually hear from Christian fundamentalists who say God created all life on earth just as it is today and oppose the teaching of Darwin’s evolution theory.

“Every academic I know says they’ve got one of those,” retired University of Edinburgh natural history professor Aubrey Manning told the Glasgow Herald when “The Atlas” turned up in Scotland early this year. “And it’s peddling an absolute, downright lie.”

But Oktar, whose reclusive ways and opaque business have prompted many rumors about why and how he gives away so many books, brushed off all criticism in a rare interview with Reuters. “This huge impact shows the influence of the book,” the author, stylishly turned out in a white suit, red tie and clipped beard, said through an interpreter.

The controversy stirred up by “The Atlas” has turned the spotlight on a publishing empire that boasts about 260 books in 52 languages, over 80 DVDs and dozens of websites.

Well-illustrated and free of theological jargon, they preach that Islam is the one true faith and Darwinism, by undermining religious belief, has led to the discord, atheism, terrorism and extreme political ideologies plaguing the world. ...

The flood of free books prompted suspicion among baffled Western scientists and teachers that U.S. creationists or Saudi financiers might be helping finance the campaign.

Oktar said the giveaways — he estimated them at about 10,000 out of print runs of over 200,000 — were normal public relations funded by profits from sales of “The Atlas” and other books.

“That seems implausible — this book is expensive,” said Taner Edis, a Turkish-American physicist whose 2007 book “An Illusion of Harmony” analyzed Islam’s approach to science. “And to my knowledge, it’s not selling like hotcakes.”

Edis doubted the rumors of funds from U.S. creationists, saying: “American creationists I talk to basically envy Harun Yahya’s financial resources. If there were any fund flowing, it would be from Adnan Oktar to the creationists.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: crevo; education; evolution; islam
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Atheists are more despicable even than muslims.

Way to paint with a broad brush. That's like the militant atheist dorks who think all Christians are Bible-pounding humorless nerds. There are nice atheists and jerky atheists. There are nice Christians and jerky Christians. Why this is so hard to figure out escapes me.

21 posted on 07/11/2008 12:04:46 PM PDT by jmc813 (RIP SheLion - One of the all-time FR greats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Atheism is the worst evil humankind has ever imagined and it has caused more misery and destruction than any other idea ever has.

Atheism sounds even worse than Communism!

22 posted on 07/11/2008 12:09:56 PM PDT by Live and let live conservative ($)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Atheism is the worst evil humankind has ever imagined and it has caused more misery and destruction than any other idea ever has.

And when your theocracy comes we'll have no more atheists, eh?

23 posted on 07/11/2008 12:11:29 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Live and let live conservative
Communism is a subset of atheism. Not all atheists are communists but all communists are atheist. So technically atheists have killed more people than communists.
24 posted on 07/11/2008 12:14:42 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Coyoteman
I don't need a theocracy because I already live in a Christian nation.

You have the freedom to be Godless because you live in a country founded upon Christian principles.

25 posted on 07/11/2008 12:16:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Communism is a subset of atheism. Not all atheists are communists but all communists are atheist.

That's not true. A lot of the really left-wing churches believe that God favors socialist/communist societies.

26 posted on 07/11/2008 12:19:25 PM PDT by jmc813 (RIP SheLion - One of the all-time FR greats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I don't need a theocracy because I already live in a Christian nation. You have the freedom to be Godless because you live in a country founded upon Christian principles.

And after disagreeing with you for a few posts, you go ahead and post something I agree with. Well said.

27 posted on 07/11/2008 12:20:21 PM PDT by jmc813 (RIP SheLion - One of the all-time FR greats)
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To: jmc813

Those are kinds of socialism, not kinds of Communism. Communism is a particular kind of socialism. Atheism is the essential organizing principle of Communism (dialectical materialism) as formulated by Karl Marx.


28 posted on 07/11/2008 12:23:31 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Communism is a subset of atheism. Not all atheists are communists but all communists are atheist. So technically atheists have killed more people than communists.

Also a lot of the Communists were not only Atheists but white males. White males are murderous bastards.

29 posted on 07/11/2008 12:23:47 PM PDT by Live and let live conservative ($)
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To: Live and let live conservative

Some were white, but all of them were atheists.


30 posted on 07/11/2008 12:25:21 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Some were white, but all of them were atheists.

Fair enough. I'll stick with not believing in god and not hurting anyone and you stick with the radical Muslims who are funding the backwards anti-science agenda.

31 posted on 07/11/2008 12:32:22 PM PDT by Live and let live conservative ($)
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To: Live and let live conservative

I’ll stick with believing that we are all endowed by our CREATOR with inalienable rights. You can believe in whatever anti-Christian, anti-American garbage you want. It’s a free country, thanks to our Christian Founders.


32 posted on 07/11/2008 12:35:26 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I’ll stick with believing that we are all endowed by our CREATOR with inalienable rights. You can believe in whatever anti-Christian, anti-American garbage you want. It’s a free country, thanks to our Christian Founders.

Where did I say anything anti-Christian or anti-American? You're a small minded fellow. Best of luck to you anyway.

33 posted on 07/11/2008 12:40:49 PM PDT by Live and let live conservative ($)
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To: Live and let live conservative
If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in the principles this nation was founded on.

You're just lucky that better men than you sacrificed so that you could have the freedom to be a fool.

34 posted on 07/11/2008 12:43:43 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Live and let live conservative
I'll stick with not believing in god and not hurting anyone and you stick with the radical Muslims who are funding the backwards anti-science agenda.

It must be nice living in a zero-sum world.

35 posted on 07/11/2008 12:43:46 PM PDT by jmc813 (RIP SheLion - One of the all-time FR greats)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in the principles this nation was founded on.

That's actually a good debate. I disagree though. I'm sure there are plenty of atheists out there who believe in the individual over the state, the RKBA for it's original intent, equality of man, etc. Not to say these principles don't have Biblical origin, they do, but I believe one can believe in them without explicitly believing in a deity.

36 posted on 07/11/2008 12:47:41 PM PDT by jmc813 (RIP SheLion - One of the all-time FR greats)
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To: jmc813
It must be nice living in a zero-sum world.

Cost of living is too high, but it has its moments.

37 posted on 07/11/2008 12:50:03 PM PDT by Live and let live conservative ($)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in the principles this nation was founded on.

I don't believe in God, but I certainly believe in the principles this nation was founded on. Your statement is therefore incorrect.

38 posted on 07/11/2008 12:50:05 PM PDT by Citizen Blade
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To: jmc813
It must be nice living in a zero-sum world.

Cost of living is too high, but it has its moments.

39 posted on 07/11/2008 12:50:08 PM PDT by Live and let live conservative ($)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in the principles this nation was founded on. You're just lucky that better men than you sacrificed so that you could have the freedom to be a fool.

I believe that a man has the right to his own life as long as he respects that all others have that same right. Call me a fool if you want, that's what I believe.

40 posted on 07/11/2008 12:53:09 PM PDT by Live and let live conservative ($)
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