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Louisiana Confounds the Science Thought Police - Neo-Darwinism is no longer a protected orthodoxy...
National Review Online ^ | July 08, 2008 | John G. West

Posted on 07/08/2008 11:48:40 AM PDT by neverdem









Louisiana Confounds the Science Thought Police
Neo-Darwinism is no longer a protected orthodoxy in the Bayou State's pedagogy.

By John G. West

To the chagrin of the science thought police, Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal has signed into law an act to protect teachers who want to encourage critical thinking about hot-button science issues such as global warming, human cloning, and yes, evolution and the origin of life.

Opponents allege that the Louisiana Science Education Act is “anti-science.” In reality, the opposition’s efforts to silence anyone who disagrees with them is the true affront to scientific inquiry.

Students need to know about the current scientific consensus on a given issue, but they also need to be able to evaluate critically the evidence on which that consensus rests. They need to learn about competing interpretations of the evidence offered by scientists, as well as anomalies that aren’t well explained by existing theories.

Yet in many schools today, instruction about controversial scientific issues is closer to propaganda than education. Teaching about global warming is about as nuanced as Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth. Discussions about human sexuality recycle the junk science of biologist Alfred Kinsey and other ideologically driven researchers. And lessons about evolution present a caricature of modern evolutionary theory that papers over problems and fails to distinguish between fact and speculation. In these areas, the “scientific” view is increasingly offered to students as a neat package of dogmatic assertions that just happens to parallel the political and cultural agenda of the Left.

Real science, however, is a lot more messy — and interesting — than a set of ideological talking points. Most conservatives recognize this truth already when it comes to global warming. They know that whatever consensus exists among scientists about global warming, legitimate questions remain about its future impact on the environment, its various causes, and the best policies to combat it. They realize that efforts to suppress conflicting evidence and dissenting interpretations related to global warming actually compromise the cause of good science education rather than promote it.

The effort to suppress dissenting views on global warming is a part of a broader campaign to demonize any questioning of the “consensus” view on a whole range of controversial scientific issues — from embryonic stem-cell research to Darwinian evolution — and to brand such interest in healthy debate as a “war on science.”

In this environment of politically correct science, thoughtful teachers who want to acquaint their students with dissenting views and conflicting evidence can expect to run afoul of the science thought police.

The Louisiana Science Education Act offers such teachers a modest measure of protection. Under the law, school districts may permit teachers to “use supplementary textbooks and other instructional materials to help students understand, analyze, critique, and review scientific theories in an objective manner.” The act is not a license for teachers to do anything they want. Instruction must be “objective,” inappropriate materials may be vetoed by the state board of education, and the law explicitly prohibits teaching religion in the name of science, stating that its provisions “shall not be construed to promote any religious doctrine.”

The law was so carefully framed that even the head of the Louisiana ACLU has had to concede that it is constitutional as written.

Of course, that hasn’t stopped the usual suspects from denouncing the bill as a nefarious plot to sneak religion into the classroom. The good news is that the disinformation campaign proved a massive failure in Louisiana. Only three members of the state legislature voted against the measure, which attracted nearly universal support from both political parties. Efforts to prevent local scientists from supporting the bill also failed. At a legislative hearing in May, three college professors (two biologists and one chemist) testified in favor of the bill, specifically challenging the claim that there are no legitimate scientific criticisms of Neo-Darwinism, the modern theory of evolution that accounts for biological complexity through an undirected process of natural selection acting on random mutations.

Fearful of being branded “anti-science,” some conservatives are skittish about such efforts to allow challenges to the consensus view of science. They insist that conservatives should not question currently accepted “facts” of science, only the supposedly misguided application of those facts by scientists to politics, morality, and religion. Such conservatives assume that we can safely cede to scientists the authority to determine the “facts,” so long as we retain the right to challenge their application of the facts to the rest of culture.

But there are significant problems with this view.



First, the idea that a firewall exists between scientific “facts” and their implications for society is not sustainable. Facts have implications. If it really is a “fact” that the evolution of life was an unplanned process of chance and necessity (as Neo-Darwinism asserts), then that fact has consequences for how we view life. It does not lead necessarily to Richard Dawkins’s militant atheism, but it certainly makes less plausible the idea of a God who intentionally directs the development of life toward a specific end. In a Darwinian worldview, even God himself cannot know how evolution will turn out — which is why theistic evolutionist Kenneth Miller argues that human beings are a mere “happenstance” of evolutionary history, and that if evolution played over again it might produce thinking mollusks rather than us.

Second, the idea that the current scientific consensus on any topic deserves slavish deference betrays stunning ignorance of the history of science. Time and again, scientists have shown themselves just as capable of being blinded by fanaticism, prejudice, and error as anyone else. Perhaps the most egregious example in American history was the eugenics movement, the ill-considered crusade to breed better human beings.

During the first decades of the 20th century, the nation’s leading biologists at Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, and Stanford, as well by members of America’s leading scientific organizations such as the National Academy of Sciences, the American Museum of Natural History, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science were all devoted eugenicists. By the time the crusade had run its course, some 60,000 Americans had been sterilized against their will in an effort to keep us from sinning against Darwin’s law of natural selection, which Princeton biologist Edwin Conklin dubbed “the great law of evolution and progress.”

Today, science is typically portrayed as self-correcting, but it took decades for most evolutionary biologists to disassociate themselves from the junk science of eugenics. For years, the most consistent critics of eugenics were traditionalist Roman Catholics, who were denounced by scientists for letting their religion stand in the way of scientific progress. The implication was that religious people had no right to speak out on public issues involving science.

The same argument can be heard today, not only in Louisiana, but around the country. Whether the issue is sex education, embryonic stem-cell research, or evolution, groups claiming to speak for “science” assert that it violates the Constitution for religious citizens to speak out on science-related issues. Really?

America is a deeply religious country, and no doubt many citizens interested in certain hot-button science issues are motivated in part by their religious beliefs. So what? Many opponents of slavery were motivated by their religious beliefs, and many leaders of the civil-rights movement were members of the clergy. Regardless of their motivations, religious citizens have just as much a right to raise their voices in public debates as their secular compatriots, including in debates about science. To suggest otherwise plainly offends the First Amendment’s guarantees of freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

It is also short-sighted. The history of the eugenics crusade shows that religiously motivated citizens can play a useful role in evaluating the public claims of the scientific community. It is worth pointing out that unlike such “progressive” states as California, Louisiana was spared a eugenics-inspired forced-sterilization statute largely because of the implacable opposition of its Roman Catholic clergy.

So long as religious citizens offer arguments in the public square based on evidence, logic, and appeals to the moral common ground, they have every right to demand that their ideas be judged on the merits, regardless of their religious views.

This is especially true when the concern over religious motives is so obviously hypocritical. In Louisiana, for example, the person leading the charge against the Science Education Act was Barbara Forrest, herself a militant atheist and a long-time board member of the New Orleans Secular Humanist Association. At the same time she was denouncing the supposed religious motivations of supporters of the bill, Forrest was seeking grassroots support to lobby against the bill on the official website of Oxford atheist Richard Dawkins.

Conservatives should not support such anti-religious bigotry. Neither should they lend credence to the idea that it is anti-science to encourage critical thinking. In truth, the effort to promote thoughtful discussion of competing scientific views is pro-science. As Charles Darwin himself acknowledged, “a fair result can be obtained only by fully stating and balancing the facts and arguments on both sides of each question.”

— John G. West is the author of Darwin Day in America: How Our Politics and Culture Have Been Dehumanized in the Name of Science and a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana
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To: Fichori

Mark 16:17-18 King James Version (KJV)
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

So it’s obvious, you don’t really believe in Jesus if you don’t handle snakes. The bible says it.


141 posted on 07/09/2008 2:04:17 PM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: RunningWolf
“The extinction of old forms is the almost inevitable consequence of the production of new forms. We can understand why when a species has once disappeared it never reappears.

One would assume that extinction by degeneration of the genome would most severely affect the fastest breeders, those that reproduce at the fastest rate and have the most generations in a given period of time.

142 posted on 07/09/2008 3:04:48 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Philly Nomad

Mark 16:17-18 King James Version (KJV)
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

So it’s obvious, you don’t really believe in Jesus if you don’t handle snakes. The bible says it.

And do pray tell, when was the last time the pope 'took up a serpent'?

Does the pope believe in Christ?

That ol' boy needs to get himself out to a snake farm pronto!


As far as that goes, when was the last time you handled a snake?

I think you need to find yourself a viper too. (preferably a very poisonous one, because they work better.)
(Per Paul's example)

Speaking of poisonous things, it mentions drinking something deadly in verse 18.

Go ahead, take a swig, lets see if your a believer. ;)

I mean, after all, thats what the bible says.

Right?
143 posted on 07/09/2008 6:19:41 PM PDT by Fichori (Primitive goat herder, Among those who kneel before a man; Standing.)
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To: Fichori
Who wrote: I'm a Evangelical Christian who believes the Bible takes precedent over atheistic science.

I mean really, science says if you handle poisonous snakes you'll get bit, sick and maybe die. Jesus says if you believe in him, you'll be able to handle poisonous snakes and not be harmed in the slightest.

So who you going to believe, Jesus or Science?

144 posted on 07/09/2008 8:30:28 PM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad
Who wrote: I'm a Evangelical Christian who believes the Bible takes precedent over atheistic science.

I mean really, science says if you handle poisonous snakes you'll get bit, sick and maybe die. Jesus says if you believe in him, you'll be able to handle poisonous snakes and not be harmed in the slightest.

So who you going to believe, Jesus or Science?

(Nice bait-n-switch/strawman.)

Romans 8:28 says And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
That includes poisonous snake bites.

I believe that intentionally exposing yourself to poisonous snakes as a show of faith (or whatever crazy reason people do it for) would fall under the heading of tempting God.
(Something that Ananias and Sapphira discovered was not very smart.)


I believe that Mark 16:17-18 is talking about what was demonstrated by Paul in Acts 28:3 and elsewhere.

So, not only do I believe the Bible trumps atheistic science(Big Bang, Evolution, Etc), I also believe that God trumps all science.(Miracles, Supernatural Creation, Virgin Birth of Christ, Etc)


And since you seem to be using them interchangeably....
Science is a useful tool for studying the world around us.
Atheistic science is a religious dogma.

Try to not get them confused.
145 posted on 07/09/2008 9:33:06 PM PDT by Fichori (Primitive goat herder, Among those who kneel before a man; Standing.)
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To: Fichori

So basically, you don’t really believe in God.


146 posted on 07/10/2008 6:08:12 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: doc30

“So far, evolution has not been falsified every time it has been tested”

The evolution model should be verifiable through the fossil record, yet there is no proof, represented by transitional life forms. Trying to protect your inability to prove that by a falsifiable model standard speaks to how valid your “science” is.


147 posted on 07/10/2008 6:54:45 AM PDT by gscc
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To: MrB
OK, tell me about the Utopias created in the name of Atheism?

There are no utopias. Never has been and never will be. Nevertheless...

Atheism is not a political system. Neither is it an economic system. It's not even a religion (did you know that certain flavors of Buddhism are atheistic?). What atheism is is simply a lack of belief in god or gods, nothing more.

Communism killed how many 100’s of millions? And brought what “good” to the world?

Communism does not equal Atheism. Communism was an economic system (lousy and broken from start, but that's outside the scope of this post). While Communist dictatorships promoted atheism as part of their ideology, it does not follow that atheism was reason or even an important cause for their behaviour.

If there was comparison, we could talk about that edifying little episode called "Thirty Years' War", all putatively in name of christianity. It may have not killed hundreds of millions, but there were not enough population for that in those days. Excess mortality from that little conflict is estimated to be 15-20% of the entire population. If the population had been comparable to today, we wouldn't be talking about megadeaths. We would be talking about gigadeaths...
148 posted on 07/10/2008 7:53:36 AM PDT by MirrorField (Just an opinion from atheist, minarchist and small-l libertarian.)
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To: Philly Nomad
"So basically, you don’t really believe in God."
Your appearance of having a complete lack of wisdom and discernment concerning this subject leads me to believe that you are no follower of Christ.

I profess to believe in God and no contortion you might put the scriptures through can deny my belief.


So tell me, by your standard, does the pope believe in God?
(i.e., handle snakes)
149 posted on 07/10/2008 9:26:24 AM PDT by Fichori (Primitive goat herder, Among those who kneel before a man; Standing.)
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To: Fichori

Fichori,

Why should the Pope (or myself) for that matter be held to your heretical “logic?” I am not claiming “the Bible takes precedent over atheistic science.”

Those are your words, and by your own words you are a failure of a Christian. The Bible says in plain language that “They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them”

I show you an pretty clear cut instance of Science and the Bible contradicting each other, you try to change the subject. You are just like all those other free-fundies, you claim the Bible is always right, but you’ll never take a risk to prove it.


150 posted on 07/10/2008 10:51:56 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad
"Why should the Pope (or myself) for that matter be held to your heretical “logic?” I am not claiming “the Bible takes precedent over atheistic science.”" [excerpt]
Atheistic science has determined that there is no need for a God.

"Those are your words, and by your own words you are a failure of a [Catholic] Christian. The Bible says in plain language that “They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them”" [excerpt, corrected]
Correct, I'm not a Catholic.
And your right, the Bible does say that about taking up serpents, and Paul did demonstrate it.

But to say that unless one exhibits all those things they are not a believer, requires gross ignorance of the scriptures.
(And nowhere does the Bible say that, to be a believer you have to 'take up serpents'.)

"I show you an pretty clear cut instance of Science and the Bible contradicting each other, you try to change the subject. You are just like all those other free-fundies, you claim the Bible is always right, but you’ll never take a risk to prove it." [excerpt]
Strawmaning again are we.

Do you remember what I said about confusing science and atheistic science?

And remember, if the Bible is not always right, your faith is built on a lie.
151 posted on 07/10/2008 11:08:21 AM PDT by Fichori (Primitive goat herder, Among those who kneel before a man; Standing.)
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To: Fichori

Science is science, there’s no such thing as atheistic science. Because, science will change their beliefs to fit with the data, Evangelicals will never change their mind. Walk up to an Atheist, ask him what evidence would he need to see to believe in God.

Go to a Evangelical as him what evidence would he need to see to not believe in God.

The Atheist will give you an answer, the Evangelical will just spout nonsense like you’ve been doing for the last few days.


152 posted on 07/10/2008 11:17:10 AM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: TexasKate
huh?

You're question was if mankind evolved from apes, how come there are still apes. The answer is because not all apes evolved. Whether you agree with answer or not, it's the answer that scientists have answered repeatedly.

The analogy I attempted to use was that if a woman changed her maiden name, when she gets married, it does not mean that all people with her maiden name change their name. Similarly, when one (or a few) apes started to evolve towards humans, not all apes did.

(Strictly speaking, humans did not evolve from modern apes. Rather modern apes and humans have a common ancestor, but that's a different question.)

153 posted on 07/10/2008 11:48:28 AM PDT by onewhowatches
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To: Philly Nomad
"Science is science, there’s no such thing as atheistic science. [excerpt]
If a scientist chooses to use a methodology that denies God (as many do), then that is atheistic science.
May I suggest you read this

"Because, science will change their beliefs to fit with the data, Evangelicals will never change their mind. Walk up to an Atheist, ask him what evidence would he need to see to believe in God." [excerpt]
If atheistic science can blow your faith over, your not standing on the Rock.
"Go to a Evangelical as[k] him what evidence would he need to see to not believe in God." [excerpt, corrected]
And if he has faith, nothing will case him to disbelieve.
"The Atheist will give you an answer, the Evangelical will just spout nonsense like you’ve been doing for the last few days." [excerpt]
Looks like I've got your nerves strung as tight as banjo strings.
(Perhaps I'll play "Blow the man down")


If you have more faith in science than you do in God's promise, are you not lost?

Ephesians 2:8 says "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:"

If you disbelieve God because of the creations of man, you are indeed lost.
154 posted on 07/10/2008 11:53:25 AM PDT by Fichori (Primitive goat herder, Among those who kneel before a man; Standing.)
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To: onewhowatches

“Whether you agree with answer or not, it’s the answer that scientists have answered repeatedly.”

Completely wrong - that is the answer they repeatedly give - they have not answered the question.


155 posted on 07/10/2008 12:02:15 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Fichori

“The Atheist will give you an answer, the Evangelical will just spout nonsense like you’ve been doing for the last few days.”

When they start this line of debate you know they are not confident in their position.


156 posted on 07/10/2008 12:05:41 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Fichori

Ok, you have to be a troll, a plant from DU to make Evangelicals look stupid.

I’m done taking to you.

I’ll say a prayer for your soul.


157 posted on 07/10/2008 12:25:39 PM PDT by Philly Nomad
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To: Philly Nomad

Ok, you have to be a troll, a plant from DU to make Evangelicals look stupid.

I’m done taking to you.

I’ll say a prayer for your soul.

LOL!

That is too gut busting funny!

158 posted on 07/10/2008 12:58:13 PM PDT by Fichori (Primitive goat herder, Among those who kneel before a man; Standing.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

To me, Non-Sequitur, the idea of ID rests in the fact that the probability of life existing naturalistically is infinitesimally low, in fact impossible. The irreducible complexity of even one single cell belies evolutionary theory. But, neither ID OR evolution should be taught as *science* in schools, as Darwinism currently is. To me, it is a pernicious, grand hoax, like “global warming”, which causes people to feel needlessly despairing. Blessings, Bob


159 posted on 07/10/2008 1:08:47 PM PDT by alstewartfan
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To: alstewartfan
To me, Non-Sequitur, the idea of ID rests in the fact that the probability of life existing naturalistically is infinitesimally low, in fact impossible.

In other words, the idea of ID rests not on evidence supporting it, but attempts to discredit evolution and then say ID must be right by default.

160 posted on 07/10/2008 1:43:02 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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