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Posted on 06/27/2008 2:04:21 PM PDT by EveningStar
Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal has signed a stealth creationist bill into law, and American educational standards take a huge step backward: Science law could set tone for Jindal.
The creationist front group called the Discovery Institute is quietly crowing, and maintaining the fiction that the bill is not religiously-based.
(Excerpt) Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com ...
Oddly enough on another supposedly conservative site, They are suggesting taht Jindal set education back 50 years.
So you’re alleging that it’s one or the other? Amazingly enough it’s entirely possible to believe in the Bible but believe that evolution occurs.
It’d be like me saying that pi is clearly a whole rational number because the Bible measures it that way.
It’s not that much. All he did was hobble it by allowing science to be blocked.
So - it’s now OK to teach religion in science classes in Louisiana.
Then you would both be wrong. The Bible is silent on whether or not Pi is a rational number.
And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it about. (I Kings 7, 23)
You make silly claims because we can not know who measured what with what. In other words, you're being irrational, like Pi.
IF ONLY flat earthers were the worst we could expect of this!
As I said a bit higher in the thread:
Look. This bill is an open, engraved invitation for ANY group with an agenda to come in an "game" the science curricula. Any of you creationists who think this will introduce more copies of The Discovery Institute's Of Pandas and People into Louisiana schools than of algore's An Inconvenient Truth, and other such leftoid propaganda, are smokin' crack.
Celebrate now, while your delusion lasts, 'cause this bill screams "unintended consequences".
As is usual for apologists you are really reaching to explain away problems in the Bible. It doesn't matter whose arm was used, as pi is a ratio. By asking about base or lip you're injecting words into the Bible, which would be heresy in another case.
The sad thing is I can defend the Bible on this better than you can if we think modern math (which didn't exist back then). Think significant digits. The measurements are told as 10 and 30 cubits, but we aren't told whether 10 and 30 are meant to be expressed as two significant digits each or as one. This ambiguity in calculating significant digits is the Bible's possible escape from the problem because if we take either as having only one significant digit (perfectly valid) then a valid answer can only be expressed with one significant digit -- 3.
Of course that doesn't jive with the whole "The Bible is perfectly accurate" thing, since then we'd have to say both numbers have two significant digits (the pool was perfectly measured). So the Bible gets itself caught in a catch-22 depending on how much of an inerrantist you are.
And do you contend that teaching creationism in public school is an example of free exercise of religion, or is it an example of the government respecting the establishment of religion?
Well there's a silver lining. Global Warming is a very young theory that has been pushed to prominence too soon by politics and money. There is still a lot of SCIENTIFIC opposition to it -- specifically there are other purely scientific explanations for any warming. Thus if GW is taught in schools (it shouldn't, as it's not been properly vetted yet), then other scientific opposition should be taught.
Secondly, the Second Law of Thermodynamics is only applicable in closed system, i.e. one not subject to the introduction of material and energy from outside sources - unlike Earth (but you probably know that as well).
The Theory of Evolution is supported by 150 years of research, countless peer reviewed scientific publications (in which people delight in finding the errors of others), and parsimonious scientific deduction. Creationism is, well, about as valid scientifically as astrology, necromancy, phrenology, of any of a thousand other metaphysical scams.
Sorry about your belief system - it's wrong.
The people of the State of Louisiana decided it is a limit on the free exercise part of it, if it is excluded as you would suggest.
What part of the Constitution provides for public schools? Aren't they run by LOCAL people, for the benefit of the LOCAL people. Do they not have a say in what they wish to teach to their children? Would you not say that to do otherwise, would be a LIMIT on Religion AND a LIMIT on FREE SPEECH. Do you consider your precious TOE so fragile that it cannot withstand RELIGIOUS scrutiny?
Would you like to take my guns, too?
“Dinosaurs and people were around at the same time. The Bible says that land animals, Adam, and Eve were created on the sixth day (Gen. 1:24-31; 2:7-25). And what about behemoth and leviathan (Job 40:15-41:34)? They were dinosaurs.” ~ kevinw
Where to begin? All I can say is that I hope you will stop listening to those who some call, “liars for Jesus”, who are making huge amounts of money off of naive fundamentalists / biblical illiterates.
Kurt Wise: “Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant. “
Towers Online - The News Service of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary http://www.towersonline.net/story.php?grp=news&id=344
April 13, 2006 By Jeff Robinson
Excerpts:
Seminary President R. Albert Mohler Jr. said the new study centers aim at equipping pastors and church leaders to think biblically about pivotal issues which dominate contemporary culture.
“One of the ways we want to lead Southern Baptists is through helping evangelicals and Southern Baptists in particular to engage some of the most critical issues of our day,” Mohler said.-
“This is not a time for Christians to be out-thought by the world, but in general that is what happens. We find the church behind the times in thinking about some of the most crucial issues of our day.”
Mohler also announced the appointment of two new faculty members to lead the centers. [snip] ...
...Mohler also named Kurt Wise as the new director for Southern’s Center for Theology and Science, and professor of theology and science. Wise currently serves on the faculty of Bryan College in Dayton, Tenn., where he is also director of the Center for Origins Research.
Wise earned both a doctor of philosophy and master of arts in paleontology from Harvard University. He and his wife Marie have two daughters.
Wise replaces William Dembski, who is leaving Southern Seminary to join the faculty at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary so he can be closer to his family.
“With the addition of Kurt Wise, we are recognizing that creation is a ground zero theological crisis point right now in American culture and even in our churches,” Moore said. [snip] ..
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A couple of interesting items on the web regarding Kurt Wise:
[1] 7/3/2003 http://www.christianforums.com/t43741&page=12 “Ok, I just got a email from Dr. Wise. This is what he said:
“I am a young-age creationist because the Bible indicates the universe is young. Given what we currently think we understand about the world, the majority of the scientific evidence favors an old earth and universe, not a young one. I would therefore say that anyone who claims that the earth is young for scientific evidence alone is scientifically ignorant. Thus I would suggest that the challenge you are trying to meet is unmeetable.” ~ Kurt Wise
[2] December 19th 2004 http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=44017 Theologyweb.com
Post # 7:
“...there is new breed of YEC out there, of which Kurt Wise is an example, who recognize that there are scientific problems with their Weltanschauung. I knew Kurt was exceptional, but there are more of his stripe. Affectionately, I’d like to refer to them as neo-YECs, as opposed to the Wieland-Ham-Morris-Safarti-Jorge YECs for which I would propose the oxymoronic moniker paleo-YECs.”
That is exactly it. They wish to subject Scientific theories to “RELIGIOUS scrutiny” which is entirely inapplicable to Science, and an establishment of religion. May as well try to teach that Pi is 3, the earth is the center of the universe, and that the earth is only a few thousand years old.
Then who would dare call it “Science class” and not “Bible Studies” (and a rather rare interpretation of the Bible at that)?
If you don’t think they should teach Science at all and just teach the Bible instead why not just say so?
"So you’re alleging that it’s one or the other? Amazingly enough it’s entirely possible to believe in the Bible but believe that evolution occurs." [excerpt]Here are some links on the subject:
I’m rubber, you’re glue.
I refuse to play identity politics like many here but I confess I like Jindal.
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