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To: El Cid
Well, first of all, and I know you know this, what you call “Darwinism” (or correctly, the Theory of Evolution) makes no statement whatsoever regarding the origin of life.

Secondly, the Second Law of Thermodynamics is only applicable in closed system, i.e. one not subject to the introduction of material and energy from outside sources - unlike Earth (but you probably know that as well).

The Theory of Evolution is supported by 150 years of research, countless peer reviewed scientific publications (in which people delight in finding the errors of others), and parsimonious scientific deduction. Creationism is, well, about as valid scientifically as astrology, necromancy, phrenology, of any of a thousand other metaphysical scams.

Sorry about your belief system - it's wrong.

232 posted on 06/28/2008 9:50:11 AM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer
Sorry about your belief system - it's wrong.
234 posted on 06/28/2008 9:58:31 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Your mileage may vary.)
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To: stormer; El Cid
Sorry about your belief system - it's wrong.

I have to disagree in an absolute sense, as it could be right. But that is a question that I don't think science can answer since it deals with belief and faith.

Belief and science don't belong together. There is only level of acceptance as to the validity of the science after having looked at the evidence in a detached, deductive manner. You corrupt the science when you bring belief, faith, emotion, agenda or other outside influences -- just look at the man-made global warming hysteria.

248 posted on 06/28/2008 1:56:19 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: stormer
Re: 232

Sorry I have been late to reply - I've been tied most of today (as I will be on Sunday).

Well, first of all, and I know you know this, what you call “Darwinism” (or correctly, the Theory of Evolution) makes no statement whatsoever regarding the origin of life.

Actually I don't know that... That's kind of bizarre. An alleged 'scientific description' of the origin of life, but it declares 'off-limits' any discussion of origins? That doesn't make sense. I thought the premise of the 'Theory of Evolution' (darwinism), was that life came into existence by 'random chance'. That is, 'with enough time, anything can happen...'

Secondly, the Second Law of Thermodynamics is only applicable in closed system, i.e. one not subject to the introduction of material and energy from outside sources - unlike Earth (but you probably know that as well).

I've heard this claim. Doesn't mean I accept it. That is, you'll have to give me a better reason than to just to declare it off-limits because solar energy, cosmic rays, etc hit the earth... Is there any scientific evidence that these cause consistent (or even 'any') reversals in the entropy slope (i.e., a systematic decrease in entropy)?

The Theory of Evolution is supported by 150 years of research, countless peer reviewed scientific publications (in which people delight in finding the errors of others), and parsimonious scientific deduction.

Yeah, yeah ... and a million flies can't be wrong either... I'm just saying that 'darwinism' is more of a faith based religion than Creationism. At least 'Creationism' works. After the Creation week -- everything 'fits'. Life continues to degrade ... Entropy in action all around us...

Creationism is, well, about as valid scientifically as astrology, necromancy, phrenology, of any of a thousand other metaphysical scams.

Well, we are going to have to disagree.

Sorry about your belief system - it's wrong.

No need to be sorry. It is a belief system that has served many well (civilizations, scientists, believers, etc) over the past two millennium. It is a belief system that allows you stand over the grave of a loved one and say with confidence:

Isaiah 25:8-9 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it. And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

And to know that the one who spoke these words, is the one who we can say:

Jeremiah 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee

No, I don't envy any other belief system. Thanks.

323 posted on 06/28/2008 9:24:43 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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