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Posted on 06/27/2008 11:16:25 AM PDT by Red Badger
Later this year, a plant in China will begin churning out liquid fuel made from coal, a technology that -- if all breaks right for the coal industry -- is headed to American shores. From the CTLtec Americas 2008, which begins today at the Omni William Penn Hotel, Downtown, to Capitol Hill, coal-to-liquids is a popular topic, spurred by rising gasoline prices and this country's ever-present need to wean itself from oil imports. Coal-to-liquid proponents insist that the technology would strengthen national security and be a cheaper alternative than current petroleum. Estimates vary widely, but Richard Bajura, director of the National Research Center for Coal and Energy at West Virginia University, said liquid coal could be produced for $60 to $70 a barrel. Last week, oil prices approached $140 a barrel. Still, coal-to-liquid plants would cost several billion dollars to build, and if the whims of OPEC were to drive down oil prices, there would be little market for a more expensive domestic product. That's why the coal industry has taken its case to Washington. Luke Popovich, spokesman for the National Mining Association, said the industry would push for government backing, as Wall Street has been timid to provide capital. Coal companies, such as Bethel Park-based Consol Energy, are seeking startup capital and government bailouts for investors if oil prices drop too far. But a bigger hurdle than funding is the environmental lobby, which is vigorously attacking the technology for its greenhouse gas production. From the time it's hauled out of the mine until it leaves the tailpipe, coal-to-liquid produces about twice as much carbon dioxide as petroleum.
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Fischer-Tropsch KnOcK!..........
I thought the Chinese were having major problems just supplying enough coal to feed their new power plants, much less burning it in their vehicles too.
My Energy Manifesto:
* Cease all ethanol production. It takes away from food production and the unintended consequence is higher food costs. As diesel prices go up, the cost of farming tips the balance of cost to make ethanol a bad idea. Just say "no" to ethanol! Even Jimmy Carter says that diverting farm production from food to fuel is dumb – even HE gets it. This will create only ONE "blend" of gasoline and will cease regional "boutique" blends (gasohols) which are stupid, costly, and meaningless. Trucking custom blends around the country is wasteful. Ethanol blends may actually lead to fewer miles to the gallon, and adds to the cost of production and transportation. Newer cars do not need oxygenated fuels.
* Lift the restrictions in order to drill for oil in Alaska, Gulf of Mexico, and other sites in the CONUS as a matter of national security.
* Encourage the petro industry to construct state-of-the-art refineries and/or retrofit current and dormant ones and crank up production for our newly-accessed oil in the CONUS.
* Make all “carbon credit” scams unlawful. Discrediting Algore should have been a slam-dunk a long time ago. Stop electing Reps who buy into the Global Warming / Global Cooling / Climate Change Hoax. CO2 is not our enemy!
* Construct SEVERAL, regional Pebble-Bed Modular Reactors (or other similar modern designs) that are rechargeable, and cleaner than any current nuclear generator design. Refine spent nuke fuel for recycling. DO SOMETHING NUCLEAR to resolve energy problems.
* Use the residual heat from the reactors above to process motor fuel from coal and/or shale. Even though Clinton "stole" some of the best coal reserves, we still have a lot to use.
* Become independent enough to make the cartels (i.e. OPEC) inconsequential.
* Convince local taxing bodies to lift or cap the sales tax on gasoline so that as gas prices go up, the local tax collectors don’t see a windfall revenue jump at the expense of the consumer. The Federal government could compel the states (and locals) to cap the fuel taxes.
If you squint real hard, and read between the lines, the ‘manifesto’ will require fewer RINOs and LibDems and the election of some clear-minded conservatives to even consider the above.
China is presently building 32 nuclear power plants to be ON-LINE by 2020 with plans for 300 more by mid century!................(with our money)...........
Chinese company.... I wonder how much Diane Feinsteins husband has invested in this venture...he is all over China looking for ways to make DiFi and himself billionaires..
I think this is a myth anymore. OPEC cannot increase production in any meaningful amount to force prices to slide.
Ummm, exactly which way does the wind blow out of China??? I have seen enough crap with the name CHINA stickered on it to find that fact a little disconcerting...
Yes, and oil may hold the solution to high coal prices.
The U.S. has 600 years of coal. With $142/barrel oil, Coal to oil liquefaction in the U.S. is a no-brainer. But the problem is liberals,as the Democrats/Marxists will not let us turn that coal into gasoline, oil, diesel etc.
The U.S. has an almost unlimited coal supply, the largest in the world. So your statement seems to be liberal propaganda.
The prototype plant was producing a respectable volumn (I forget the number of gallons per day, but it was significant), and the technology was thus proven viable.
Whatever the technology, at the time Eisenhower shut it down petroleum was cheap, so in that context it may not have been a bad decision. Today, however, it would seem that this successful project should be resurected with a vengence.
This would, of course, be unacceptable to liberal, socialist dummycraps in their on-going effort to destroy the middle class in good ol' USA!
Whoever wrote this one is both monstrously confused about coal to liquid and is passing this confusion on to the reader so that no one will understand the first thing about it unless he already knows.
The Fischer-Tropsch Coal-to-liquids technology has been around for nearly a century. Kerosene used to be made from coal, hence it’s other name, Coal Oil. That’s what my grandfather used to call it...............
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OIL- Drill anywhere and everywhere we think there is recoverable oil. Screw Sierra Club and National Resources Defense Council. Oil drilling does not hurt the enviroment anyway. It has a VERY small footprint.
Bio-Fuels- NO! Unless we can made cellulosic ethanol work with bio material NOT used for food.
CTL (coal-to-liquid) - YES! We are going to have to do this anyway so why not get started now. It is expensive but we know this works. With oil at $130 a barrel it is very viable.
GTL (gas-to-liquid) YES! Same as CTL above.
NUCLEAR- YES! YES! YES! We need a ambitious program NOW!
SOLAR- YES, if it can survive without subsidies.
WIND- YES (see SOLAR above).
HYDROGEN- Off in the distant future. Keep research going. If there is a breakthrough then fantastic. However we cannot depend on a breakthrough. We need Nuclear Power to get the hydrogen by cracking H2O.
NATURAL GAS- We should not build any more plants that use Nat Gas to generate electricity. Let's replace these plants with Nuclear Power Plants. Using Nat Gas to generate electricity is the biggest waste of fuel imaginable. Nat Gas is way too valuable to be used for electricity production. We should use Nat Gas for Industrial Purposes, Heating, cooking food, etc. We have enormous supplies of Nat Gas in Alaska. We can bring them down to the West Coast via LNG Tankers. We should build 5 LNG facilities on the West Coast; Seattle, Portland, SF Bay Area, Los Angeles/Long Beach. In fact let's put the LA facility at Malibu just for fun of it. If we can do these things then we can break out of this morass. We need leadership and we will not get it from Obama. We will not get it from Democrats.
You’re dreaming buddy. Coal prices are shooting up even as we speak.
It is true that we have a couple hundred years of coal, AT CURRENT CONSUMPTION LEVELS. But if you’re going to turn it into gasoline, you’re not talking about current consumption levels. You could be reducing the supply to 20 years if you did that.
As I recall, the plant was comissioned based on technology Ike brought back from Germany which was attempting to develop means to generate fuel for their motorized forces (both ground and air); they were running out of petroleum as the war "progressed".
Ike brought a WHOLE bunch of technology and ideas back from Germany after WWII, a highly visible example being the Eisenhower Interstate Highway System patterned after the German Autobahns!
Gee, that's nice. Have the government cover your risk capital. That'll make for prudent investments.
What they should be covered for instead would be in case the idiots in Washington attempt to regulate them out of business with environmental controls after so many years.
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