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Fears grow that Obama can't win: White working class Democrats will defect to McCain
The Guardian ^ | June 1, 2008 | Paul Harris

Posted on 05/31/2008 10:21:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

With senator Barack Obama poised this week to clinch his party's nomination for President, there are growing fears in some quarters that the Democratic party may not be choosing its strongest candidate to beat Republican John McCain.

Senator Hillary Clinton has been making that argument for weeks. Now some recent polls and analysis, looking particularly at vital battleground states and support among white voters, have bolstered her case - even as Obama looks certain to become the nominee.

Obama supporters reject this argument and point to his record of boosting Democratic voter turnout, especially among the young. But sceptics in the party, already nervous about nominating Obama after the furore over outspoken pastor Jeremiah Wright, are growing increasingly concerned. 'There is an element of buyer's remorse in some areas. The question is whether it gets really strong now or in September - or even after the election is over, if he loses,' said Steve Mitchell, head of political consultancy Mitchell Research.

Another boost to Clinton's case came late last week after a pro-Obama preacher gave a race-tinged rant against her at Obama's church in Chicago. In a recent sermon Michael Pfleger - a long-term Obama backer who is white - mocked Clinton as an entitled white person angry at a black man having beaten her. His angry, red-faced speech, in which he mimicked Clinton weeping, was played repeatedly across American cable channels and the internet.

The news sent shock waves through Democratic circles; many had hoped Obama had put 'pastor problems' behind him. 'It is more of the same problem as Wright. It reinforces the image among some voters that Obama does not share their values,' said Mitchell.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; blackvote; bluecollarvote; crossovervote; democrats; election; elections; hillary; mccain; obama; operationchaos; pfleger; whitevote
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To: Clintonfatigued

The public wants to poke Bush and other Republicans in the eyes. With McCain’s history of being an independent maverick, the public feels that McCain might be okay. In fact, the more Rush and Ann Coulter criticize McCain, the more appealing McCain becomes to independents.


141 posted on 06/01/2008 8:48:43 AM PDT by yongin
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To: BunnySlippers
Rush did not want Hillary to get the nod. He wanted the chaos to continue all the way to the convention. Then whoever wins will piss off the other side. Brilliant actually.
142 posted on 06/01/2008 9:23:26 AM PDT by carjic (McCain is worse than "Broken Glass"!!!)
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To: Philo-Junius
-—Obama likes to brag in speeches about how brave he was to go up to Michigan and tell the auto industry that they would have to raise fuel mileage standards, raising costs and costing Michigan jobs.-—

IIRC, he told a pretty big whopper at that speech. Comparing the U.S. auto industry to Japan's, he said words to the effect that the U.S. fleet average was around 20 M.P.G., while Japan's was something like 32 M.P.G. The reality is that while the Jap auto makers do have a higher fleet average, they beat the U.S. fleet avg. by something like 1/2 M.P.G.

The man just CAN'T resist telling a lie...

143 posted on 06/01/2008 9:32:36 AM PDT by MRadtke (NOT the baseball player)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The story that keeps getting missed here is that these are democrats that the media is calling racists.


144 posted on 06/01/2008 9:41:03 AM PDT by highlander_UW (illegal alien is to an undocumented worker as a drug dealer is to an unlicensed pharmacist)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Democrats think women won't walk. But the blacks will if Obama is thrown under the bus. So they cannot afford NOT to nominate him. Even if he's going to lose in November.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

145 posted on 06/01/2008 9:47:07 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rrrod

I am amazed at Obama’s popularity, despite his implicit sanction Wright’s rants and lack of experience, etc. Such popularity can mostly be attributed to the sad reality that Democrats typically hold to the same “victim mentality” that Wright espouses, and which Communism plays upon. In addition, liberals will exalt any most liberal leader whose foundation is the non-substantive deslusionary “hope” of an Obama, or our own (deliver us from) Deval Patrick (Gov. MA), promising “change” and more services at no real cost, and promoting the same destructive anti-Christ “ideals” that increasingly have us slouching toward Sodom.


146 posted on 06/01/2008 10:34:56 AM PDT by daniel1212 (My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from him. He only is my rock)
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To: ConservaTexan

People who riot have a “Death Wish” here in America. The majority is not going to tolerate this kind of crap. They will be shot where I live. God I live the Second Amendment.

The Bottom Line,
NSNR


147 posted on 06/01/2008 10:40:55 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (Xin Loi My Boy!!!!)
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To: miliantnutcase

Both parties will send forth a candidate most of their party can’t stand.

Kind of like two armies sending forth their weakest soldier to fight it out.


148 posted on 06/01/2008 10:46:57 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Lancey Howard
How about: Fears grow that Obama can't win: People with an IQ over 75 and any shame at all won't vote for him?

Replace the word "people" with "loyal Americans" and you'll have it nailed.

149 posted on 06/01/2008 10:48:48 AM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
cities all across this nation would burn.

we used to call it urban renewal

they should feel free btw, as long as they stay out of my leafy bucolic burb

150 posted on 06/01/2008 10:51:03 AM PDT by wardaddy (Obama?...........you actually deserve to be referred to as "boy")
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To: Hardastarboard
That one needs to be played over and over and over on the networks. Pfleger would have to move to New Zealand if America knew everything he really said

I guess we, the people will have to post it on You tube then, cause it looks like the RNC ain't going to do anything. But then, we could do just like Regan, and take it directly to the American voter. Because of the internet, we have the greatest opportunity.

151 posted on 06/01/2008 11:00:52 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: montag813
Frank Lautenberg in blackface?

LMAO!

152 posted on 06/01/2008 11:05:27 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: pepperhead

bookmark


153 posted on 06/01/2008 11:09:51 AM PDT by 1035rep
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To: Fishrrman
That's a colossal shame about New York going to the loony left. The DNC has basically become the party of Ned Lamont and Daily Kos. They obviously don't want to hear from the conventional "Cold War" democrat voting blocs anymore.

I suppose I set my expectations too high for some folks, but that's the way it goes.

Do you really think Ohio would pick Obama over McCain? Wow. If it's that close, I don't even want to think about November.

154 posted on 06/01/2008 12:06:34 PM PDT by Prole (Pray for the families of Chris and Channon.)
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To: gitmo

This one is a slap fight then.


155 posted on 06/01/2008 12:08:52 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If the video of Obama’s wife screaming Whitey this and Whitey that gets out all over the place, it's over anyway.

He will never get the Korean, Hispanic, Jewish and non-liberal White vote IMO.

156 posted on 06/01/2008 12:11:08 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It is that prospect, Clinton supporters say, that leads them to keep fighting. They point to Obama's performance in North Carolina as a bellwether: it was his strong win there earlier this month that dealt an almost fatal blow to Clinton's chances. Yet, two weeks after that win, polls showed Clinton easily outperformed Obama there when measured against McCain. 'Clinton has a very strong argument that she is a stronger candidate against McCain. It is just that it has fallen on deaf ears,' said Mitchell.

Clinton is campaigning to (1) win, and (2) If she doesn't win to kill Obama's chance to win the general.

She will be the candidate in 2012 if Obama loses. I'll bet she takes this fight to the floor of the convention, and I'll bet blood is spilled.

And, I don't think this can be healed by Obama picking her as VP.

157 posted on 06/01/2008 12:23:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

If she ran as a 3rd Party candidate and had the numbers going in high enough to scare the Obama-ites she would be functioning like Perot did, and probably “throw’ the election to McCain, who would likely have won anyway. It’s six of one, half-dozen of another. The Dem Establishment, which she and Bill in effect “ruled” until just recently, is going to have to decide on their own that they were foolish to have rolled the dice and picked Obama as the “New Clinton”> I do think they made a terrible mistake, and said so over and over on FR since the first big Obama “surge” had everybody stunned. THey are now in the unenviable position of looking at the near future and seeing that it may be “closer” than they wanted it to be.
They know if they continue (with the tacit approval and active help of the MSM of course) to keep promoting Obama as the “heir apparent”, that the negatives about him will probably keep rolling in, and there will be MORE defection to McCain by die-hard Hillary supporters, and that makes it even MORE unlikely that Obama would ever win the Presidency. SO-—just how badly DO the Dems want the Presidency? They are getting a clearer picture every day , like it’s an image slowly coming into focus in the developer bath in the darkroom: Obama is no sure thing. Obama will ENSURE a McCain victory. Should we find a way to get back to certifying Hillary? How can the superdelegates explain their reversal and justify throwing Obama under the bus, when all the propaganda has been directed toward christening Obama with the kind of “inevitability” HRC (and THEY!) thought was hers and theirs just 6-8 months ago??) The picture is coming clearer to me now, that a nice double whammy would be McCain picking HRC for his VEEP, but to do that would be to broadcast that he is indeed the RINO most of us think he is. It would however ENSURE he would win over Obama.
It won’t happen but it is logical that it could. SO, what would eventuate from that scenario? Everything will have come full circle again:The Dem Establishment , seeing the prospect of total defeat, would disentangle Hillary from her new identity as a McCain veep, and find a way to anoint her as THEIR candidate, with Obama perhaps as HER VEEP choice. SHE certainly wouldn’t want this, any more than McCain would want her as HIS Veep. But stranger compromises have happened in the back rooms, and figuring out how this story could run its course, is a lot of fun.
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HAVING said ALL THAT, I am just remembering now a dream I had last night (I just rolled out of bed 30 minutes ago)-——I am on a city street, very alive with the buzz of hundreds of people-—some political event or other is currently taking place, and I am making my way to it-—I look up and notice Teddy Kennedy, looking huge, and wrapped in flowing garments, is making his way down the middle of the street, by himself, probably on his way to his car.....I am shocked to see him, especially by himself, so soon after the terrible news about him was released. A rush of sympathy overcomes me and I want to acknowledge that I see him , so I yell out “Senator Kennedy!!! without even turning to look at me, he replies in a loud bellowing emphatic voice “NEVER MIND!!!!!!!”
-——maybe there’s a symbolic lesson there for all of the
above, and what’s going on in this weirdest of “election cycles”.


158 posted on 06/01/2008 2:26:42 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Time is the school in which we learn that time is the fire in which we burn" --Delmore Schwartz)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
>>>They're stuck with him.<<<

Their not stuck yet! Best to keep a low profile until we see the whites of his eyes!

And buy some more ammo in case the cities light off.

And in the event he wins, the cities will really light off, so you'll need the ammo anyway!

159 posted on 06/01/2008 2:28:55 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: supremedoctrine
"maybe there’s a symbolic lesson there"

Yes. Don't eat meatloaf so late before you go to bed! ;^)

160 posted on 06/01/2008 5:09:39 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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