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Memo to Conservatives: Free Trade with China Is Good
North Star Writers Group ^ | May 30, 2008 | Paul Ibrahim

Posted on 05/30/2008 5:01:11 AM PDT by Invisigoth

I rarely write a column that receives more criticism from my conservative readers than from my liberal ones. And it is even rarer when the column in question approaches a topic from what is supposed to be a “conservative” perspective, as it usually does.

Yet this is precisely what happened recently when I wrote a column titled “Memo to the Democrats: We Need Free Trade with China.” It targeted the leading anti-trade voices in the Democratic Party, particularly Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, and continued by explaining why free trade with China does indeed benefit the United States, at least economically.

As usual, I heard plenty from my liberal readers with inquiries as to why I detest “working-class” Americans so much. (Is there a non-working class?) Yet, disappointingly, the feedback from the same conservatives who normally appreciate my pro-life, anti-tax, and pro-war columns was just as negative. Now this would be understandable if their concern was one of national security. Some (though not I) might suggest that we should cut trade relations with China solely in order to slow down their progress, though the logical argument would concede that we would be taking an economic hit as well. But no. The conservatives I heard from disagreed with my column because they were absolutely convinced that free trade with China was economically harmful.

Let me first make it clear, in order to avoid giving us conservatives a bad name, that free trade is a conservative cause, despite what some of its detractors might say. It is perfectly consistent with other conservative causes of keeping government out of the economy. In other words, free trade makes economic sense.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: boycottchina; boycottolympics; chicomenablers; china; conservatives; freetrade; freetraitors; propaganda
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1 posted on 05/30/2008 5:01:12 AM PDT by Invisigoth
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To: Invisigoth

The underlying problem with free trade is that it doesn’t exist.


2 posted on 05/30/2008 5:04:31 AM PDT by Rudder ("There is only one chief. Obey him." [Rush Limbaugh, April 30, 2008])
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To: Invisigoth
What we have with China is not FREE trade, it is mercantilism with US as the victim.

China is re-enacting the glory days of the robber barons in the US, and the heirs of the robber barons (and the top managers) are drooling over the prospects.

Too bad they don't realize the Chicoms are using the "free trade" to expand and modernize their military to the point that they can engage in a program of lebensraum down the road. I only hope they go after Siberia, but I think it will be Taiwan, Japan, and Australia. A new "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere". Oh, and Japan? Remember Nanking? Payback will be a cast-iron b*tch.

And the irony of the leftists supporting the sweatshop-based, environmental-catastrophe-based Chicom economy is delicious.

Cheers!

3 posted on 05/30/2008 5:05:53 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Invisigoth

National security trumps economic efficiency. The world’s a big place, if we really need lots of cheap stuff, there’s Malaysia, India, Latin America (minus Venezuela and Cuba), the Philippines, Taiwan, Singapore, S. Korea and more. Now, if we get cut off in a conflict, we are in a bad way because we rely on a country that has nukes aimed at us, will only allow churches that recognize the Communist government as supreme, and tells people, with physical and extreme financial and legal coercion how many children they can have.


4 posted on 05/30/2008 5:10:13 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Invisigoth

Memo to Paul Ibrahim: Reagan never gave in to the Commies, and neither will we.


5 posted on 05/30/2008 5:13:54 AM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: grey_whiskers

At least we’re still stickin’ it to lil’ ol’ Cuba. That’ll teach those Godless Commies.


6 posted on 05/30/2008 5:22:45 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Invisigoth

Who is the idiot (Paul Ibrahim) and what editor allows somebody to spew such garbage? Won’t be surprised to see these fools claim that genocide and forced abortions (both of which are actively encouraged in China) are “conservative virtues” too.

With “conservatives” like these, who needs enemies?


7 posted on 05/30/2008 5:23:18 AM PDT by indcons
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To: Invisigoth

Tell us what YOU think of this garbage, Invisigoth? Do you agree or disagree with Ibrahim?


8 posted on 05/30/2008 5:25:53 AM PDT by indcons
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To: Invisigoth

Our tariff rates don’t need to be at zero. A five to ten percent tariff on all the worthless knicknacks from China would bring in a lot of revenue.

As tariff rates have gone down, income taxes have gone up. Indirect taxes are always preferable to direct taxes.


9 posted on 05/30/2008 5:46:45 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Invisigoth

Our tariff rates don’t need to be at zero. A five to ten percent tariff on all the worthless knicknacks from China would bring in a lot of revenue.

As tariff rates have gone down, income taxes have gone up. Indirect taxes are always preferable to direct taxes.


10 posted on 05/30/2008 5:46:52 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Rudder

Your are correct...free trade does not exist, becasue our gov’t is too busy picking the winner’s and loser’s of industries here in the states.

Health-care, prescription med’s, insurance...good! Manufacturing, drilling for oil, mining for coal...bad!

You get the idea.

Hello from a fellow Buckeye resident.


11 posted on 05/30/2008 5:49:43 AM PDT by mr_hammer (Checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night.)
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To: indcons

I’m the editor who “allows somebody to spew such garbage,” thank you very much.

He makes the case for free-trade and economic liberalization as an extension of free-market principles that benefit our country and expand such principles abroad.

If you don’t think Paul is a conservative, read his back catalogue of columns:

http://www.northstarwriters.com/paulibrahim.htm

What’s he’s doing here is challenging current conventional wisdom among conservatives about best application of conservative thinking to the issue of free trade with China. There is no reason for you to get so angry about this. A good commentator should challenge all kinds of thinking, including by those on his own side.


12 posted on 05/30/2008 5:50:36 AM PDT by Dan Calabrese
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To: indcons

My opinion doesn’t matter. I would write my own column if I wanted to express it here. My job is to bring news, opinions and features to readers, and so I do.


13 posted on 05/30/2008 5:52:17 AM PDT by Invisigoth
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To: Invisigoth

If you want to see the social chaos that having anything to do with China...come to Flushing, NY. See how a rather nice American town within NYC became a crowded dirty ginza. Thanks to the Democrats and liberals we can now rename our town “Saigon”!

Your town will be next if this is allowed to continue!
Napoleon was correct, let China sleep for when it awakes the world will tremble.


14 posted on 05/30/2008 5:54:53 AM PDT by cyberslave (Tell It To The People Who Were In Flushing!)
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To: Invisigoth

there should never be free trade unless it is free on both ends. One directional free trade is not free trade.


15 posted on 05/30/2008 5:55:10 AM PDT by elpadre
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To: cotton1706; All
several years ago when “free Trade” was a new topic here on FR ..I did research on Tariff rates on US goods vs US Tariff rates guess what :
Average world Tariff on US made goods 20%+ -average US tariffs on world goods 3.2%.
The Free Traders here on FR could not reply to the data other then to say the GOAL was free Trade and US had to set the example for the World..sounds much like todays Global warming explanation, No?
THERE IS NO FREE TRADE IF YOU MAKE THINGS IN AMERICA. and the Washington elites both Dem and GOP think thats fine.
16 posted on 05/30/2008 6:16:47 AM PDT by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: Dan Calabrese
Thanks for your response, Dan Calabrese.

The author, Paul Ibrahim, would have been more honest if he had presented the real reasons for opposition to the ChiCom regime the very real dangers posed by China to US interests and global peace. Right now, this article reads like a position paper released by Norinco or one of the other PLA front companies. When one-sided and misleading articles are posted, it's but natural that some readers will react accordingly.

Fact - the US is currently involved in one of the largest transfers of wealth in recent history with entire sectors of the economy being shipped off to China. None of this has resulted in increased responsibility or decency within the Chinese/PLA regime. One side is benefitting much more than the other is this ridiculous "free" trade relationship and it's not the US.

The ChiComs are still sending arms to the terrorists in Iraq, tacitly supporting Iran's nuclear recalcitrance, subverting the civilized world's efforts to end the genocide in Darfur, and working actively to eliminate US influence and relationships in Asia and Africa. Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte recently "warned China over weapon links in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan" [Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2016611/posts].

In this month’s Far Eastern Economic Review, Michael A. Ledeen of the American Enterprise Institute describes how Beijing may be successfully integrating economic reforms with their authoritarian system and becoming a "mature facist state." This assertion is grounded in facts and discredits the free traders' myth that "where goods flow freely across borders, peace is the result." [Source: http://www.feer.com/essays/2008/may/beijing-embraces-classical-fascism]

"China’s military is not so subtly preparing the capability to defeat U.S. forces in Asia in order to prevent intervention in any conflict on its periphery" and is creating a Sino-Russo-Muslim axis throught the creation of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization AKA "Treaty on Deepening Military Trust in Border Regions" [Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation]

Paul Ibrahim didn't cover any of these key facets (and consequences) of the US-China "free" trade relationship in his screed. Additionally, he makes out the opposition to China to be one of economic protectionism while ignoring the real reasons behind conservative opposition to short-sighted enabling of the world's biggest bully and the next super-fascist regime.


17 posted on 05/30/2008 6:47:50 AM PDT by indcons
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To: TigersEye; JACKRUSSELL; Virginia Ridgerunner; MARKUSPRIME; Army Air Corps

Ping to post #17...what do you think?


18 posted on 05/30/2008 6:50:28 AM PDT by indcons
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To: Dan Calabrese

Would you be open to having me write a rebuttal to Paul Ibrahim’s article?


19 posted on 05/30/2008 7:05:19 AM PDT by indcons
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To: indcons

We have a reader forum where people can (and often do) let our columnists have it:

http://www.northstarwritersforum.com

You have to register to post, just like on here, but you’re free to have at it.

Since we are first and foremost a syndicate, and our business is to distribute our columns to newspapers, we don’t have a letters to the editor section or anything like that - and we don’t distribute guest columns because everything we put out is by agreement with our contracted columnists.

So that’s why we started the forum.


20 posted on 05/30/2008 7:40:37 AM PDT by Dan Calabrese
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