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McCain's French kiss
Financial Post ^ | May 13, 2008 | Lawrence Solomon

Posted on 05/20/2008 3:23:58 PM PDT by Delacon

The Republican nominee backed nuclear this week, but the U.S. shouldn't try to imitate the French disaster

                                    By Lawrence Solomon
"If France can produce 80% of its electricity with nuclear power, why can’t we?,” asks U.S. presidential candidate John McCain. Nuclear power is a cornerstone of Senator McCain’s plan to combat climate change, which he is unveiling this week.
McCain thinks he is asking a simple rhetorical question. As it turns out, he is not. His question is technical, with an answer that will surprise him and most Americans. Nuclear reactors cannot possibly meet 80% of America’s power needs — or those of any country whose power market dominates its region — because of limitations in nuclear technology. McCain needs to find another miracle energy solution, or abandon his vow to drastically cut back carbon dioxide emissions.
Unlike other forms of power generation, nuclear reactors are designed to run flat-out, 24/7 — they can’t crank up their output at times of high demand or ease up when demand slows. This limitation generally consigns nuclear power to meeting a power system’s minimum power needs — the amount of power needed in the dead of night, when most industry and most people are asleep, and the value of power is low. At other times of the day and night, when power demands rise and the price of power is high, society calls on the more flexible forms of generation — coal, gas, oil and hydro-electricity among them — to meet its additional higher-value needs.
If a country produces more nuclear power than it needs in the dead of night, it must export that low-value, off-peak power. This is what France does. It sells its nuclear surplus to its European Union neighbours, a market of 700 million people. That large market — more than 10 times France’s population — is able to soak up most of France’s surplus off-peak power.
The U.S. is not surrounded, as is France, by far more populous neighbours. Just the opposite: The U.S. dominates the North American market. If 80% of U.S. needs were met by nuclear reactors, as Senator McCain desires, America’s off-peak surplus would have no market, even if the power were given away. Countries highly reliant on nuclear power, in effect, are in turn reliant on having large non-nuclear-reliant countries as neighbours. If France’s neighbours had power systems dominated by nuclear power, they too would be trying to export off-peak power and France would have no one to whom it could offload its surplus power. In fact, even with the mammoth EU market to tap into, France must shut down some of its reactors some weekends because no one can use its surplus. In effect, France can’t even give the stuff away.
Not only does France export vast quantities of its low-value power (it is the EU’s biggest exporter by far), France meanwhile must import high-value peak power from its neighbours. This arrangement is so financially ruinous that France in 2006 decided to resurrect its obsolete oil-fired power stations, one of which dates back to 1968.
France’s nuclear program sprung not from business needs but from foreign policy goals. Immediately after the Second World War, France’s President, Charles de Gaulle, decided to develop nuclear weapons, to make France independent of either the U.S. or the USSR. This foreign policy goal spawned a commercial nuclear industry, but a small one — France’s nuclear plants could not compete with other forms of generation, and produced but 8% of France’s power until 1973.
Then came the OPEC oil crisis and panic. Sensing that French sovereignty was at stake, the country decided to replace oil with electricity and to generate that electricity with nuclear. By 1974, three mammoth nuclear plants were begun and by 1977, another five. Without regulatory hurdles to clear and with cut-rate financing and a host of other subsidies from Euratom, the EU’s nuclear subsidy agency, France’s power system was soon transformed. By 1979, France’s frenzied building program had nuclear power meeting 20% of France’s power generation. By 1983 the figure was about 50% and by 1990 about 75% and growing.
Despite the subsidies, the overbuilding effectively bankrupted Electricite de France (EdF), the French power company. To dispose of its overcapacity and stay afloat, EdF feverishly exported its surplus power to its neighbours, even laying a cable under the English Channel to become a major supplier to the UK. At great expense, French homes were converted to inefficient electric home heating. And EdF offered cut-rate power to keep and attract energy-intensive industries — Pechiney, the aluminum supplier, obtained power at half of EdF’s cost of production, and soon EdF was providing similar terms to Exxon Chemicals and Allied Signal.
These measures helped but not enough — in 1989, EdF ran a loss of four billion French francs, a sum its president termed “catastrophic.” The company had a 800-billion-franc debt, old reactors that faced expensive decommissioning, and unresolved waste disposal costs. To keep lower-cost competitors out of the country, France also reneged on an EU-wide agreement to open borders up to electricity competition.
France’s nuclear program, in short, is an economic disaster, and a political one too — 61% of the French public favours a phase-out of nuclear energy.
“Is France a more secure, advanced and innovative country than we are?,” McCain also asked. “I need no answer to that rhetorical question. I know my country well enough to know otherwise.”
But McCain does not know France well enough to know why nuclear power’s negative record over there says nothing positive about what it can do for people over here, on this side of the Atlantic.

                                                            Financial Post
Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Energy Probe and author of The Deniers: The world-renowned scientists who stood up against global warming hysteria, political persecution, and fraud. E-mail: LawrenceSolomon@nextcity.com. Fourth in a series.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: energy; france; mccain; nuclearpower
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I've often asked "why don't we go nuke" when it comes to energy policy and energy independence. Hey, if France can do it, certainly we can. This article threw a big ole wet blanket on that idea for me.
1 posted on 05/20/2008 3:23:58 PM PDT by Delacon
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ping


2 posted on 05/20/2008 3:24:43 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon

The US would only need 40% capacity, and would have to use the new ‘clean nuke’ technology.


3 posted on 05/20/2008 3:28:35 PM PDT by xcamel (Forget the past and you're doomed to repeat it.)
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To: Delacon

This sounds odd to me...i was on nuclear subs...i’m pretty sure you can adjust the output of a reactor by the rods.


4 posted on 05/20/2008 3:30:31 PM PDT by chasio649 (sick of it all)
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To: Delacon

His points are actually somewhat dimwitted.

Simply build enough nuclear power plants to meet daytime requirements.

When the nighttime load is less... bleed off the electricity or divert the steam away from the turbines. It’s not as efficient as only generating electricity when the electricity is needed, but it’s not the impossibility the author claims.


5 posted on 05/20/2008 3:31:29 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Delacon

It looks like France just used the wrong mix of nuke power. I think it would be a good idea to use nuclear power if planned correctly. France, like most liberals, made a decision based off passion instead of good logical, sound planning.


6 posted on 05/20/2008 3:32:01 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: Delacon
How come this problem hasn't had more publicity? You'd think the nuke-haters would be ballyhooing this.

On the plus side maybe it's a good argument for electric cars. A few million batteries can soak up a lot of juice while recharging overnight.

7 posted on 05/20/2008 3:32:39 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Delacon

My goodness. This article makes us look like a bunch of back woods hacks. Of course we can solve the power demand problem like many communities do now with alternate energy sources and high peak production. We are the Unites States by God, not France!!


8 posted on 05/20/2008 3:33:12 PM PDT by caisson71 (Times change, values don't.)
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To: chasio649

The liberals wants clean energy, but then they discredit most kinds of clean energy. The liberals hate nuclear energy and they want to make McCain’s plan look bad because they don’t want nuclear power, even though it is one of the few viable alternatives to fossil based sources of energy.


9 posted on 05/20/2008 3:34:31 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: Delacon

I’m not convinced.

First, so what if you have to waste a little bit of power or occassionally shut down a reactor. It’s still better than funding Islamic terrorists.

Second, our country is so large, and we could be talking about so many reactors, that occasional shutdowns should be manageable. If you got 4 reactors and you have to shut one down, it’s a problem. If you’ve got 50 and you have to shut one down, not so much.

Third, I’m sure if we put our minds to it, we could find a way to use that excess power productively.

Fourth, I don’t buy that France having to import power during peak times is financially ruinous to them. It’s not like a free market doesn’t exist. Notice that France isn’t rushing to reopen old power plants, they are merely considering it.

This article just doesn’t pass the smell test.


10 posted on 05/20/2008 3:35:14 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Delacon
Thanks for the post, very interesting. Nuke has long seemed like the best answer...this was very illuminating. There are 550,000,000 people in Latin America that we could sell our surplus to, but it seems as though there is a definite optimum level of nuclear generation. Looks like were back to clean coal.
11 posted on 05/20/2008 3:35:26 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: chasio649

“This sounds odd to me...i was on nuclear subs...i’m pretty sure you can adjust the output of a reactor by the rods.”

Well you were on ssns but I don’t think the rods are used to regulate power output to a sub. Anyone want to chime in?


12 posted on 05/20/2008 3:35:44 PM PDT by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
nuclear reactors are designed to run flat-out, 24/7 — they can't crank up their output at times of high demand or ease up when demand slows. This limitation...

Interesting
how much output does "flat-out" put out ?

rather than powering homes, could it be used to power the coal, gas, oil fired plants ?
13 posted on 05/20/2008 3:35:46 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: Delacon
The writer of this is not thinking outside of the box. The "excess" capacity of new, US nuclear plants would not be "wasted" at night. Instead, with just a little bit of thinking, it would be put into batteries that would be installed in cars, and would free us from Middle East Oil for the balance of our history.

That is not a negative result. It is a positive one.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "King George Wears a Black Robe"

14 posted on 05/20/2008 3:35:58 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob ( www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Delacon

The real wet blanket is the reality that hits when people realize that we can’t build a single oil refinery let alone hundreds of nuke plants.


15 posted on 05/20/2008 3:36:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting CONSERVATIVE in memory of 5 children killed by illegals 2/17/08 and 2/19/ 08)
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To: Delacon

So there is no benefit to manufactures getting cut rate electrical power?

I find that hard to believe.

It is interesting though that those who would have us not invest in nuclear power are not using the usual enviromental
canards, perhaps because people don’t buy them any more.


16 posted on 05/20/2008 3:37:38 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Delacon; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; Normandy; ...

The C-Span 2 presentation by
the author of "The Deniers",
Lawrence Solomon, is still
available for viewing on line.


17 posted on 05/20/2008 3:37:39 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Delacon
To say nuclear power is the solution would be folly. That said, it can be a useful piece of the solution. Just as one minimizes risk to his stock portfolio through diversification, thus so a nation minimizes its economic power generation risks.

It would probably not be out of line to suggest that nuclear power could play a larger role in the U.S. than it is at present.

18 posted on 05/20/2008 3:37:47 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Delacon

IMO, there is an awful lot of misdirection in this article. Number one, we don’t have to sell the power to a foreign nation. We could have plenty of nuclear plants inside the U.S. providing primary power needs to immediate vicinities AND secondary power to remote vicinities. It wouldn’t have to supply all the power needs either.

I’m thinking you don’t care if we replace 100% with nuclear if that isn’t workable. I’ll bet you’d just like to see as much produced with nuclear that is reasonably possible, so we could cut 25, 45, perhaps even 60% of the energy needs, helping us to end our dependence on foreign oil.

I’ve noticed something very strange going on. Every single energy proposal that doesn’t address oil as the main source, is resoundly trashed here.

I have yet to see one thing that anyone proposed that received any respect. Why is that?

I’m not buying that oil is the only reasonable energy source.


19 posted on 05/20/2008 3:38:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (If you continue to hold your nose and vote, your nation will stink worse after every election.)
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To: Delacon

>> Unlike other forms of power generation, nuclear reactors are designed to run flat-out, 24/7 — they can’t crank up their output at times of high demand or ease up when demand slows.

This is bull.


20 posted on 05/20/2008 3:38:44 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (La Raza hates white folks. And John McCain loves La Raza!)
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