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Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens ("The extraterrestrial is my brother")
AP on Yahoo ^ | 5/13/08 | Ariel David - ap

Posted on 05/13/2008 5:08:28 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

VATICAN CITY - Believing that the universe may contain alien life does not contradict a faith in God, the Vatican's chief astronomer said in an interview published Tuesday.

The Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, was quoted as saying the vastness of the universe means it is possible there could be other forms of life outside Earth, even intelligent ones.

"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation."

In the interview by the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Funes said that such a notion "doesn't contradict our faith" because aliens would still be God's creatures. Ruling out the existence of aliens would be like "putting limits" on God's creative freedom, he said.

The interview, headlined "The extraterrestrial is my brother," covered a variety of topics including the relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and science, and the theological implications of the existence of alien life.

Funes said science, especially astronomy, does not contradict religion, touching on a theme of Pope Benedict XVI, who has made exploring the relationship between faith and reason a key aspect of his papacy.

The Bible "is not a science book," Funes said, adding that he believes the Big Bang theory is the most "reasonable" explanation for the creation of the universe. The theory says the universe began billions of years ago in the explosion of a single, super-dense point that contained all matter.

But he said he continues to believe that "God is the creator of the universe and that we are not the result of chance."

Funes urged the church and the scientific community to leave behind divisions caused by Galileo's persecution 400 years ago, saying the incident has "caused wounds."

In 1633 the astronomer was tried as a heretic and forced to recant his theory that the Earth revolved around the sun. Church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe.

"The church has somehow recognized its mistakes," he said. "Maybe it could have done it better, but now it's time to heal those wounds and this can be done through calm dialogue and collaboration."

Pope John Paul declared in 1992 that the ruling against Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension."

The Vatican Observatory has been at the forefront of efforts to bridge the gap between religion and science. Its scientist-clerics have generated top-notch research and its meteorite collection is considered one of the world's best.

The observatory, founded by Pope Leo XIII in 1891, is based in Castel Gandolfo, a lakeside town in the hills outside Rome where the pope has a summer residence. It also conducts research at an observatory at the University of Arizona, in Tucson.


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To: livius
what is it that makes us discernible as human beings?

Dunno. For starters, I'd vote for empathy.

Sadly, this would rule out a lot of the creatures we think of as human on this planet..

21 posted on 05/13/2008 7:03:33 PM PDT by null and void (Hillary!™ is trying to arrange a face-to-face meeting between Barrak Obama and Bobby Kennedy...)
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To: BenLurkin

*ouch*


22 posted on 05/13/2008 7:05:08 PM PDT by null and void (Hillary!™ is trying to arrange a face-to-face meeting between Barrak Obama and Bobby Kennedy...)
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To: null and void

Very interesting indeed! It’s true that when the population decreases, so does the infrastructure, and I imagine if the population got really reduced, even very basic parts of the infrastructure could disappear. That certainly explains things like the disappearance of the knowledge of, say, plumbing and central heating and water, which the Romans had, but which vanished with the demise of Rome.

There was a British author named Bryher who wrote historical books for kids in the 1940s or so, and one book was set in Roman Britain. The first sign of the collapse of the Empire was that they stopped repairing the roads, and then finally nobody knew how to put together the stones to get that type of pavement.


23 posted on 05/13/2008 8:02:29 PM PDT by livius
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To: NormsRevenge
"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation."


24 posted on 05/13/2008 11:33:52 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: BenLurkin

or time travelers.


25 posted on 05/14/2008 6:38:52 PM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Quix
Ping


26 posted on 05/14/2008 6:41:03 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: NormsRevenge

“He ain’t heavenly—he’s my brother.”


27 posted on 05/14/2008 6:47:56 PM PDT by exit82 (People get the government they deserve. And they are about to get it--in spades.)
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To: livius
It’s a frightening thought, but then again, who would ever have believed that somebody born of nobodies in the armpit of the Roman Empire would have been the Son of God?

Good point
28 posted on 05/15/2008 4:26:42 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: null and void
If the human race were choked down to say, half a billion, I bet we'd lose the ability to sustain modern semiconductor manufacturing

That's an interesting one -- could you explain more? I'm not mocking you in any way, it's just that I know that humanity expanded to 1 billion only at the start of the industrial age, so your view sound very intersting
29 posted on 05/15/2008 6:54:20 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: livius

I would vote for sapience.


30 posted on 05/15/2008 6:55:24 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Cronos

There are probably at least as many that don’t believe that.


31 posted on 05/15/2008 7:02:25 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Cronos
Maintaining (much less improving) any technology requires not merely one expert, but a community of them ... usually experts on different aspects of said technology. It also requires a sufficiently large "customer" population to provide demand for the technology. Even in, say, the Roman Empire, no one person was an expert on all aspects of converting raw iron ore into the gladius hispanicus.

21st Century technology is the same thing, in spades.

You (yes, you personally) can go out and buy a nice shiny new computer for a few hundred bucks. Can you make one (from natural resources) at any price? Heck NO! That requires a huge community of subject matter experts, and an even huger community of folks who want to buy computers.

32 posted on 05/15/2008 7:17:25 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: null and void

pingo


33 posted on 05/15/2008 7:18:00 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cronos

To make a pocket calculator you need metals, glass, plastic, and silicon.

There are probably half a dozen plastics involved, each with it’s own finely tuned properties.

The case needs to be thin, light, ridged, strong, moldable, capable of accepting coloring agents, it has mineral additives hat make it opaque, surfactants that bind the mineral agents to the plastic, keep the various dry ingredients from clumping, there are plasticizers, and fire retardants.

The buttons need to be soft and friendly to the touch, capable of being co-molded so the numbers are visible even after wear, it needs its own suite of additives, most of which are different is subtle ways from the additives in hard plastic.

The circuit board needs to be a specialty epoxy, it has to be stiff, non-conducting, have a very fine controlled surface roughness so that the metal traces won’t peal off. in needs to survive a pile of processes using acids, metal plating solutions, strong solvents, and accept several coatings, without absorbing anything that could later leach out and damage the circuitry. It needs to withstand temperatures high enough to melt solder.

The chip is encapsulated in yet another epoxy silicone blend that needs to have all the properties of the board epoxy, and be opaque, and flow-able enough to not disturb hundreds of gold wires that are less than a third the width of a human hair during the molding process. And as an extra bonus, the cured epoxy has to have a thermal expansion coefficient close to that of silicon itself.

The display has a liquid crystal, a speciality plastic that changes its transmission of polarized light with applied voltage. It has to withstand vacuum processing, contact with indium-tin oxide (another specialty product) epoxies, and the microspheres used to keep the glass slips the proper distance apart. It has to survive the sealing process. Oh, liquid crystal materials are sensitive to moisture, and need to be protected from water contact from the moment they are synthesized, even the humidity in the air will eventually ruin them.

Each of the ingredients has a limited number of people who really understand the subtle nuances of its manufacture.

One minor example: In the 1950’s Dow corning “lost the recipe” for making silicone rubbers. Why? They were buying all their materials from the same vendors, to the same specifications with the same processes, yet one day they stopped getting silicones and started making only glop.

What happened? The silicon supplier improved their manufacturing technique. The new product exceeded all the old specifications it was much purer. This was critical for the main customer, the budding transistor industry. A major improvement was the reduction in copper, copper is a major killer of semiconductor junctions.

After a year or so of frantic scrambling, they figured out that the old silicon had traces of copper that acted like a catalyst for forming silicones.

There were only maybe half a dozen people on earth capable of making the connection. Suppose 5/6th of them were gone, The remaining 1/6 would be pretty busy trying to do the work of all the missing ones.

So busy that we might not have any silicones for our bathtub caulk (or any other application) to this day!

And I haven’t even touched on all the skills needed to turn sand into hyper-pure single crystal silicon...


34 posted on 05/15/2008 8:39:34 AM PDT by null and void (Hillary!™ is trying to arrange a face-to-face meeting between Barrak Obama and Bobby Kennedy...)
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