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To: Bluegrass Federalist
An effort has begun to amend the Missouri Consitution to allow for photo ID.

This is really a bad idea.

Alienage and vote-fraud issues aside, it creates a real problem for persons trying to defend their fundamental rights in a host of situations. Consider:

As things stand now, you are who you are, and your rights are yours. They inure to you naturally and are yours to claim at any time and in all circumstances: arrest, tax challenges, indictment, casual police contacts, the voting booth.

If you add an ID card, your rights transfer from you to the card. You are no longer who YOU say you are -- you are who THE CARD says you are. This is huge. All your rights now revolve around, and flow from, your card. Your card has rights -- YOU don't.

Take away the card -- by trickery, natural disaster, crime, police oppression under color of authority -- and you yourself are toast. You are Esau, whining for your inheritance: you're out of luck because someone swapped you a bowl of pottage for your birthright. The supposed advantages of a voter ID card are that bowl of pottage.

Remember, totalitarian societies use ID's -- the hated "internal passport" Soviet and black South African citizens were required to carry on their persons 24/7/365 -- as a primary control device on people, and ID was always the first thing the KGB took away from a dissident Russian, to control his dissent.

Would you want Hillary to have a leash around your neck? How about a "Hillarycard", to claim your "Hillarycare" and your right to "Hillaryvote"?

Think about this before you screw it up for everyone.

4 posted on 05/09/2008 7:40:32 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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Great. I am for the ID. I would not mind a national ID either.

Circunstances sometimes demand special measures. Security should be a prime concern in this country.

5 posted on 05/09/2008 7:54:18 AM PDT by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man for my president and may be Huck?.. Naah :))
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To: lentulusgracchus

Swell. But if it weren’t for thieving, corrupt democrats stealing elections and turning voter fraud into a art form, none of this would be necessary. The true corruption of the system here would be the cancellation of my vote by some illegal alien taken to 10 precincts by an Acorn rep for 5 bucks and a pack of Camels.


6 posted on 05/09/2008 7:56:09 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: lentulusgracchus
If you add an ID card, your rights transfer from you to the card. You are no longer who YOU say you are -- you are who THE CARD says you are. This is huge. All your rights now revolve around, and flow from, your card. Your card has rights -- YOU don't.

The lack of any logic in this statement is stunning. There are many ways to "prove" who you are, fingerprints, DNA, testimony of those who know you. The ID we're talking about, usually a drivers license, is only a way to quickly verify your identity.

Are you saying your drivers license has a right to drive but you don't? Are you saying a permit to carry has a right to carry a firearm not the holder of the permit? This is downright silly. No one is forcing you to have an ID. It's just if you can't verify who you are you can't drive, you can't carry a firearm, you can't get on an airplane, you can't cash a check and you can't vote. Some people are probably so paranoid they would rather give up these things rather than identify themselves. So be it. This Country allows them this freedom.

10 posted on 05/09/2008 9:11:19 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: lentulusgracchus

Sorry, an ID card is not a person.


12 posted on 05/09/2008 9:45:26 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: lentulusgracchus

I think you’re overreacting. You can’t even cash a check without a photo ID, certainly voting is far more important. Because you have to show ID when cashing a check, does that take your identity away and transform it to the card?


13 posted on 05/09/2008 9:50:23 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: lentulusgracchus

I believe you are confusing voter photo ID with the national ID card issue. Very different. Voter photo ID is not a different ID, it is just a requirement that you show your drivers license or military ID or similar to prove your identity. No chips, no new programs, no nothing. Show the ID that 99.8 of us have already.


14 posted on 05/09/2008 8:05:48 PM PDT by Bluegrass Federalist
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