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Man Shot After Shooting Police Dog: Family Outraged
Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | May 7, 2008 | Michael Hasch

Posted on 05/07/2008 6:09:50 AM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark

A Knoxville man shot and killed a Pittsburgh police dog Tuesday before the canine's handler returned fire, killing the man in what city police Chief Nate Harper called "an unfortunate" but justifiable action. The shooting outraged and angered the family of the 19-year-old man, Justin Jackson. He was pronounced dead by a passing paramedic almost immediately after the shooting that occurred at 6:53 p.m. in front of the UPMC facility on Arlington Avenue on the border of Knoxville and Mt. Oliver.

Harper said the dog's handler ordered the canine -- a 6-year-old German shepherd named Aulf -- to attack after Jackson pulled a gun from under his shirt. Both the officer, an eight-year-veteran Harper did not identify, and Jackson fired several shots, the chief said.

"They shot my son in the head. The officer told me, 'Our dog got shot so we shot him.' They killed my son over a dog," said Donald James Jackson of the West End.

"My 19-year-old son is lying there dead, shot in the head, execution-style. My son's brains are laying on the street. This is crazy. I'm going to do whatever I have to do, file charges against the officers, for my son. It's terrible, the mentality they have," Jackson said as he tried to comfort his wife.

"We are not going to let them get away with this!" Anna Jackson screamed. "They will pay for killing my son. They are going to pay for shooting my son over a dog!"

(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: crime; deaddog; donutwatch; isthisinteresting; justadog; lawenforcement; leo; moreequalthanothers; murder; pennsylvania; peoplenotdogs; pittsburgh; policestate; workingdogs
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To: KC_Conspirator
Present reports my ass. All there is being reported are lies by this guys worthless family.

So the police chief is a liar?

221 posted on 05/07/2008 4:42:24 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: KarlInOhio; TalonDJ; RachelFaith; IMissPresidentReagan; i_dont_chat; Kozak; socialismisinsidious; ..
"The suspect had his hand under his shirt. When the officer told him to show his hand, (Jackson) pulled out a gun," Harper said.

What was he supposed to do???

He complied with their request.

If he'd refused to pull his hand out, they might very well have released the dog on him, too, and said that he had refused their request. If he'd let go of the gun and it had fallen to the ground, what if it had gone off (or even if it hadn't, he'd have been endangering others).

Note that the chief didn't say that the victim pointed the gun at anyone until the dog was released and he defended himself.

222 posted on 05/07/2008 4:44:55 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
If he had complied with the police order to show his hands, he would be alive. Reasonable people know that. And THAT passes the smell test for me.

Read the article. According to the police chief, it was compliance with their request that got him killed!

223 posted on 05/07/2008 4:45:11 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Are you in the Pgh area?


224 posted on 05/07/2008 4:45:42 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I could never 'Keep Sweet' I am a bitter Pennsylvanian)
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To: Gondring

Please read my post at 219. If you are ‘local’ did you see the live coverage of Chief Harper’s 6 pm statement?


225 posted on 05/07/2008 4:47:18 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I could never 'Keep Sweet' I am a bitter Pennsylvanian)
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To: Starwolf
Unless the cops are now judges, there is no way to tell the status of the person the dog is turned loose on. Presumption that they are dangerous criminals is not one that I am willing to make, why are you so confident in it?

What...are you some kind of American or something?

Sheesh. All your mamby-pamby "assumed innocent until proven guilty" garbage has no place here...just ask the peanut gallery!




:-(

226 posted on 05/07/2008 4:47:37 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Bluegrass Federalist
...who coincidentally refused to comply with their instructions to show his hands...

Actually, he did comply. His hand just happened to contain a .357. :-(

227 posted on 05/07/2008 4:48:55 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

“what was he supposed to do”????

DIE !

Like the fool he was.

You have the RIGHT to bear arms... but you have the RESPONSIBILITY and the RISK that goes with them.

The End... for him.


228 posted on 05/07/2008 4:49:12 PM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

The question is...why was the dog released?

Did he point the gun at the officers? Or was it just a chance to use the dog?

It’s unreasonable to expect a citizen to know whether a dog is trying to disarm him or attack him. If this had been the wrong person, just an innocent civilian, how is he to know that he’s not in danger?

...unless you want the police just releasing dogs to attack people without reason, then there had better be a reason for the release. Did the chief say that Mr. Jackson was shooting first, before the dog was released? Or even threatening anyone? Or just complying with the request?


229 posted on 05/07/2008 4:52:51 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Starwolf
Unless the cops are now judges, there is no way to tell the status of the person the dog is turned loose on. Presumption that they are dangerous criminals is not one that I am willing to make, why are you so confident in it?

By that standard we should not allow cops to carry guns, batons or tazers, since they are not qualified to judge whether a person is a danger or not.

A police dog is a lesser use of force than the gun. They tried to save his worthless life by trying to disarm him with a dog. They could have just shot him without releasing the dog. He'd be just as dead, but the dog would still be alive.

This dog died trying to save the deceased from his own stupidity. How sad is that?

230 posted on 05/07/2008 4:53:24 PM PDT by Valpal1 (OW! My head just exploded!)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
NOTE TO SELF:

I shouldn't be surprised at the number of FReepers coming down against the cops. But I am...so I'll throw out the question...would anybody be happier here tonight if we were talking about two dead Pittsburgh Cops? Or how about a few bystanders taken down too. Things happen. And things happen incredibly fast. These officers (IMO) did the best call they could. Period.

231 posted on 05/07/2008 4:53:30 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I could never 'Keep Sweet' I am a bitter Pennsylvanian)
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To: RachelFaith
You have the RIGHT to bear arms... but you have the RESPONSIBILITY and the RISK that goes with them.

Ah, yes...you have the freedom to do exactly as we tell you. And oh, life can be so risky...don't hold on too tightly to that life of yours...never know when you might comply with a police officer's request. That's just your risk, citizen.

Wouldn't it be safer to just turn in your guns?

There, there...what a nice citizen. So safe and secure now.

232 posted on 05/07/2008 4:55:58 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
The reason for the release was Jackson KEEPING HIS HAND IN HIS SHIRT IN A SUSPICIOUS MANNER AND NOT RESPONDING TO THE POLICE ORDER TO SHOW HIS HANDS.

Again, did you see or hear Chief Harper at 6? The officers involved did not know the dog had been shot until Jackson was downed. It was that fast. Jackson drew and shot (the officers seemed to think they were being fired upon...not the dog). When the shooting stopped, Jackson and the dog were both down. What is hard to understand about that?

233 posted on 05/07/2008 4:56:25 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I could never 'Keep Sweet' I am a bitter Pennsylvanian)
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To: Valpal1

Just one more thing to note...from the local reports...the dog would have responded to the ‘stand down’ command. He would not have mauled Jackson. He was in a ‘disarm’ move.


234 posted on 05/07/2008 4:57:52 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I could never 'Keep Sweet' I am a bitter Pennsylvanian)
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To: Valpal1
Is an armed citizen a menace requiring disarmamemnt....?

Or is an armed citizen moving to use his weapon against police a menace requiring disarmament...?


While these are split-second decisions--and the officers must be given the discretion to act--unless we question them later, then we are destined to move to the wrong choice. Heck, I'll never be on a jury in part because I answer that I'm more likely to trust the testimony of a police officer because of his profession (which includes training, etc.), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be careful against knee-jerk responses!

235 posted on 05/07/2008 4:59:41 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

The firearm used by Jackson was a stolen .357 magnum that was reported missing after a 2006 burglary in Elliot.

He was a thug, a cop killer, a drug dealer, a thief and he died pulling his stolen gun.

F*** him!


236 posted on 05/07/2008 5:00:19 PM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

No, I didn’t hear Chief Harper at 6, so I didn’t know that his story had changed.


237 posted on 05/07/2008 5:00:30 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
Wouldn't it be safer to just turn in your guns?

How about turning in the ones that are stolen and resold on the street or (shudder) stolen and kept by the perp who stole them for future use. It was a stolen gun (traced by the serial number). That was also stated at 6pm by Chief Harper.

238 posted on 05/07/2008 5:00:57 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (I could never 'Keep Sweet' I am a bitter Pennsylvanian)
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To: RachelFaith

Amended... not “HIS” gun, but “the stolen” gun.

HE did not own or have the rights to the weapon for which he was killed using.


239 posted on 05/07/2008 5:02:20 PM PDT by RachelFaith (Doing NOTHING... about the illegals already here IS Amnesty !!)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

Well, instead of getting out of their vehicle or whatever, why didn’t they just shoot him from an armored car if they knew he had a stolen gun?


240 posted on 05/07/2008 5:02:55 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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