VOTING FOR MY CONVICTIONS, or For The Lesser Of Two EVILS

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[Yosemitest]

VOTING FOR MY CONVICTIONS, or For The Lesser Of Two EVILS
By Yosemitest, April 27, 2008

After McCain's latest outburst against conservatives about the North Carolina Republican Party TV ad, I did some research that I'd like to share with you. We don't have to follow the GOPs marching orders into the abyss of liberalism. The GOP is destroying conservatism, and we should withdraw our support for this corrupt organization.

Now may I suggest someone that I can support. Someone that the Athens Banner-Herald on Sunday, June 2, 2002 described as

"... the idol of the gun-toting, abortion-fighting, IRS-hating hard right wing of American politics. "
Now that's my kind of President!!!

Where does he stand on the issues? Associate Editor Jesse Walker of Reason Magazine Online talked with Barr in September 2003, and described him

"After entering the House of Representatives in 1995, Georgia Republican Bob Barr acquired a reputation as one of the most conservative members of Congress. It was Barr who in 1996 wrote the Defense of Marriage Act, which said states didn't have to recognize gay marriages performed in other states; it was Barr who protested when he learned the military allowed soldiers to practice Wicca. A former federal prosecutor, a firm social conservative, and a strong supporter of the War on Drugs, Barr doesn't fit most people's image of a civil libertarian.

But in his eight years in Congress (he failed to win re-election in 2002), Barr was one of Washington's loudest critics of the federal government's abuses of power, taking the lead in investigating the raid on Waco and in opposing Bill Clinton's efforts to undermine due process in terrorism cases. Since leaving Congress, Barr has taken an advisory post with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and started writing a column for Atlanta's alternative weekly Creative Loafing -- neither ordinarily a haven for Republicans. While many on the right have fallen behind the Bush administration even as it betrays their purported principles, Barr represents another set of conservatives' growing discomfort with the administration's erosion of individual liberty."

Take a look at Robert L. (Bob) Barr, Jr. statement on the issues at the Barr 2008 Presidential Exploratory Committee web site. There are some things I disagree with him on, such as the fair tax. But look at his answer to the drug issue that Hannity addressed.

HANNITY: What would your vote be? Would you vote to legalize heroin and crack?

BARR: No, I would not vote to legalize heroin and crack, Sean. We've talked about this.

And for those who want to follow the GOP, well remember this

HANNITY: Well, then, I believe what Ronald Reagan said: no pale pastels; bold colors. Work within the Republican Party to make it more conservative. I want it to be conservative.

BARR: You know who tried to work against Ronald Reagan and convince him not to run? It was the Republican Party, Sean.

John Bender of enterstageright.com wrote on April 7, 2008.
"Congressman Barr is a solid conservative with a lifetime ACU record of 98%. His last two years in office he scored an ACU record of 100%.
McCain's lifetime ACU record is 82% but his 2006, the most recent year for which ratings are available, ACU record was 65%. Among Republican Senators only Lincoln Chafee, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter had worse voting records."

It's time to renounce that Sorry Ole Bonehead McCain and support a real conservative.

[roamer_1]

I believe that Barr was hired by the ACLU just to destroy his credibility with the conservatives.

It does not do so automatically. I would need to see the cases he defended. So far, so good. The ACLU has been on the right side of things often enough that there is room for a libertarian minded conservative within their ranks, much as Barr has stated.

He might be singing the Libertarian Party's position, just to get their nomination, which also destroys his credibility.

I am not surprised, as he has always had a libertarian bent, much as I, while embracing all of Conservatism, tend to lean socon. That's ok with me.

But anti-war rhetoric is not.His position on the GWOT and on Iraq and Afghanistan must be in line with America's needs or he is as unelectable as McCain. Well, maybe not THAT unelectable, but you get my meaning, I am sure.

But Barr's actions while he was in office was starkly conservative, and I believe he'd finish the job in the middle east only with victory.

I agree with you about his record, that which I know of it is big "C" conservative, for sure. But His current outlook must match his record- I will not vote for him if he would end the war. Just as a matter of unity, of Reagan Coalition, if for no other reason. The defcons must find a home in Barr too, or all is for naught- For the self same reason that McCain is a lost cause.

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

This is a time of peril. And YOU GUYS can not see that we are fighting for our survival as a nation.

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

God has a way with blessing us with the right man at the right time. and that man is definately not Obama or Clinton.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Actually, I could “sit by.” My state will vote for McCain regardless, and depending upon his choice for VP (if it is a horrible one), I can quite easily choose not to vote. It won’t bother my conscience one iota. It might bother it enormously if I did.

[fieldmarshaldj]

I just can’t support Barr. He started getting weird in his last year or so in office (there’s a reason why he lost renomination against John Linder), and his going to the dark side with the ACLU is simply unforgiveable. He may be an intelligent man, but these are marks of very poor judgment.

At least if Barbour becomes VP you’ll still have a Republican to succeed him. The risk if McCain plucks Bobby Jindal in LA is that the pondscum Mitchy Landrieu becomes Governor and the state is right back to the bad old corrupt days again, one reason Jindal will have to decline. The problem in SC is that if Sanford moves up, the erratic Andre Bauer (who is a Republican) becomes Governor, and he isn’t likely to win a general election victory for the top job (if he wins the nomination). He nearly lost against a Dem in ‘06 when Mike Campbell (Carroll’s son) surprisingly came up short of beating him earlier in the primary.

Duncan Hunter is a good man, but he was never going to be nominated (as a House member) for President. The last time we put up a House member was James Garfield in 1880 (who was actually a Senator-elect by the time he was elected President). Hunter would make a great DefSec, period. If McCain wins, he’d be an idiot not to give him the job.

[roamer_1]

God has a way with blessing us with the right man at the right time. and that man is definately not Obama or Clinton.

Neither is it McCain. There is never a 'right man' who is a traitorous bastard.

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

alrighty then... I love John McCain and I support him no matter what you say..

[roamer_1]

alrighty then... I love John McCain and I support him no matter what you say..

Knock yourself out, but don't expect to come on a Conservative forum shilling for a Bakerite Globalist RINO and not meet up with great resistance.

Furthermore, it was not I who was calling people 'morons' either. Why don't you go sell your crap to the WAnkers. You might just find a more appreciative audience.

McCain 2008 -Bite the pillow.

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

this is a time of war. this is a time of war. this is a time of war. this is a time of war.

[roamer_1]

this is a time of war. this is a time of war. this is a time of war. this is a time of war.

A betrayer betrays. A betrayer betrays. A betrayer betrays. A betrayer betrays.

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

What kind of President do you want ?

[roamer_1]

What kind of President do you want ?

One that isn't funded by George Soros, for starters...

[Yosemitest]

I understand you about the War on Terror,
and being 25 - 26 years Air Force retired it's important to me, but it's not all.

There are other issues that must be taken into account;
such as borders and immigration,
cutting taxes,
conservative and family values taught in schools,
and stopping this homosexual slime that's polluting our country.

I have some religious thoughts on the matter
and I addressed them in "So shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things..." post #5
and how things in the end may not go so well for us in the middle east. But I'm a student of religion and could be wrong.

The problem with Barr is that there isn't enough clear statements from him on the issues of today. Most of my beliefs about him are based on actions he took several years ago, and maybe my desires for him to be the way I want him to be.

But still, as of today, he's my best choice.

[Yosemitest]

I agree about Bobby Jindal and Louisiana, as I'm familiar with LA from 2000-20004, but South Carolina, I've not a clue.

My all time favorite President would be Newt, with Rumsfield as his V.P. (that'd be good for about 30% of the rodents suffering heart failure immediately). Rush and Hannity would also make a great pair, if they didn't suffer assassination during the swearing in.

But I truly believe that we're in for some very hard times, tribulation if you catch my meaning. But it will get better.

[fieldmarshaldj]

I think Newt has jumped the shark, too. He was good at mobilizing us to win the majority in the House, but wasn’t as skilled once he bacame Speaker (though better than Hastert, who did almost nothing) and got outmaneuvered by Clinton. Rumsfeld is a bit too old now.

No, I think Mark Sanford and Dr. Coburn would be fantastic. They’d go after the pork and other entitlement programs with a vengeance. I do hope McCain does the smart thing (a rarity for him) and chooses Sanford. When he kicks off, then we’ll have a President we can trust.

[Yosemitest]

Well, maybe so. Have a good night.

Here's a little more information on Barr from www.answers.com/topic/bob-barr that might be worth your time. It ain't all good and it ain't all bad.

I just can't stomach McCain, no matter what.

[Swordfished]

you morons have no idea how important this election is. and for the situation in the persian gulf. It makes me furious. like wanting to tie someone to a tree furious.. haha

Hey maybe I will vote for McCain - looks like he's bought into government-sponsored healthcare. /s

It's too bad you get so flustered by other people acting out their own free will.

[Swordfished]

This is a time of peril. And YOU GUYS can not see that we are fighting for our survival as a nation.

First of all, you are way too emotional.
Secondly, as roamer_1 asked earlier, "which election has been 'unimportant'"?

Every election since 1776 has been important. Thinking otherwise is a big part of why we've seen our country's original principles slipping away rapidly.

McCain doesn't seem to have any principles beyond those that sprout from the needs of his ego. Now he's talking about government-sponsored health insurance.

[roamer_1]

I understand you about the War on Terror, and being 25 - 26 years Air Force retired it's important to me, but it's not all.

I agree totally, but I don't believe that you understand my objection:

Ever since Reagan discovered the 'magic recipe' to harness the fullness of Conservatism, it has become prerequisite to use that method to fuse the three pillars of Conservatism into one thing.

It is not my position that other things are not as important as the GWOT, in fact, as my comments elsewhere on this thread suggest, my position is closer to your own than otherwise.

The difference goes back to the Reagan Coalition, and the bare futility of supporting other than that. Even if Barr is capable of attracting the socons (which he is), and the ficons (which he is, or at least the libertarian branch thereof), it is entirely futile to support him without the aid of the defcons, who are currently content with McCain. Barr cannot win without them, and they most certainly will *not* move to his camp if his position includes abandoning their cause. It is paramount to them.

Now, even without the Defcons, Barr can certainly serve as a vote of conscience against McCain. He can serve to block McCain's ascension, that much is true, but he cannot win unless he embraces all three pillars of Conservatism, especially so in light of the rampant Republicanism that is already raised up against him.

That is my argument against him, as it stands, bearing in mind that his position regarding the WOT is largely unknown to me- It could well be that his position therein is fully and completely acceptable, and that is my hope and pleasure.

But as a Reagan Conservative, voting only for all three pillars, for Conservative equality and unity, is more important to me than any other thing, as without that unity, there is only doom.

I have some religious thoughts on the matter [...] and how things in the end may not go so well for us in the middle east.

I am also a student of the Prophecy (you may always ping/mail me on this subject). I am sure we are in the "time of Jacob's trouble" and concurrently in the time of the "great falling away". I also believe that the Mideast crisis is probably the beginning battles of the War of Magog. I believe the false government to be liberalism/socialism/communism (worshiping a god of forces=science) and the false prophet/religion is Mohammedanism. All these things are moving inexorably to their final end.

[roamer_1]

McCain doesn't seem to have any principles beyond those that sprout from the needs of his ego. Now he's talking about government-sponsored health insurance.

But, but... he said the magic word: Federalist. Surely that makes it all better... /snarky