Posted on 04/23/2008 6:33:21 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
Hillary won just enough to show that it is ludicrous to oust a 10-point winner at this late junction, but not quite the blow-out that might cause a stampede to her in the next few states.
The Democrats are tottering at the edge of the abyss. They are about to nominate someone who cannot win, despite vastly out-spending his opponent, any of the key large states CA, NJ, NY, OH, PENN, TX, etc. that will determine the fall election. And yet not to nominate him will cause the sort of implosion they saw in 1968 or the sort of mess we saw in November 2000.
Hillary won't quit, since she knows that Obama, when pressure mounts, is starting to show a weird sort of petulance, and drops the "new politics" for snideness. And at any given second, a Rev. Wright outburst, an Ayers reappearance, another Michelle 'never been proud' moment, or another condescending Obamism can cause him to nose dive and become even more snappy.
They won't be able to force Hillary out since she still has strong arguments the popular vote may end up dead even, or even in her favor; while he won caucuses and out-of-play states, she won the critical fall battlegrounds and by plebiscites; she is the more experienced and more likely to run a steady national campaign; she wins the Reagan Democrats that will determine the fall election; and by other, more logical nomination rules (like the Republicans' fewer caucuses, winner-take-all elections) she would have already wrapped it up. There seems something unfair, after all, for someone to win these mega-states and end up only with a few extra delegates for the effort. The more this drags out, the more Obama and Hillary get nastier and more estranged from each other at precisely the time one must take the VP nomination to unite the party.
On the plus side, Hillary is showing a scrappy, tough blue-collar talent that is critical for November but apparently it will be all for naught, or worse, cause lots of these Middle America "clingers" to go over to McCain.
More and more, McCain will want to run against Obama and his far weaker coalition of elite whites, African-Americans, studentsand closets of skeletons. More and more, we will start to see the buyer's remorse of midsummer 1972.
All eyes turn to a repeat in Indiana...
Ain’t it da’ truth?
This is really getting good.
To survive Hillary has to bury Obama in Indiana, BUT in Indiana Independents can vote in the primary unlike Democrats only in Pennsylvania. Hillary does not do well with Independents. Also Hillary is NOT going to win North Carolina.
"To win in November, a Democratic presidential candidate has to carry most of the industrial heartland states that stretch from Pennsylvania to Missouri. That becomes even more imperative if a Democrat can't carry Florida -- and because of his relative weakness in South Florida, Obama is unlikely to do so against McCain. Ruy Teixeira and I have calculated that in the heartland states, a Democratic presidential candidate has to win 45 to 48 percent of the white working-class vote. In some states, like West Virginia and Kentucky, the percentage is well over a majority."
You can't win a general election with a coalition of America hating Bitter African- Americans and America hating Bitter white liberal elitist billionaires/millionaires, who buy brie, Chardonnay, and expensive rat politicians like the elitist Hussein Obama/Samma.
"Bitter Gate: the gift that keeps on giving!!!
" Crackerquiddick ~ Bitter Gate " and Wright is wrong Gate are huge problems for the elitist would be Sneerer in Chief, Hussein Obamasnob!!
For an inside look at the real Hussein Obama and his elite hate America backers at San Francisco where Hussein Obama made his elitist remarks,
Go here to see the thread with all The Pictures posted and Here to see another thread about this meeting of elite left wing America haters.
There are some very interesting pictures and comments re the actual meeting on those threads.
"Hussein Obamas big mouth, small brain, condescending, America-hating, grandkid-baby-terminating, born-alive-infant-abandoning, America-hating-wife, kooky-moonbat-America-hating-pastor, racially-divisive, race-baiting, crotch-saluting, America-flag-disrespecting ... chickens ... coming home to roost ...!"
Behold the would be Sneerer in Chief!
Scary times.
I agree with all of that, which is why I'm rooting on Hillary from the peanut gallery. She won't win the Dem nomination, but she can further weaken Obama, to McCain's ultimate benefit.
The media rarely explain why Obama will win the Dem primary in NC: vast numbers of white voters have left the Dems for the GOP. So nearly half of the remaining registered Dems in NC are black, and black Dems will vote 90%+ for Obama, while Clinton's margin among white Dems will be far smaller. Obama's NC Primary win won't mean much in November.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Oh Thank YOU! You made me snort coffee out of my nose at my desk!
“I love it when a plan comes together”
Yes. Operation Chaos has succeeded.
The Popular Vote [David Freddoso]
http://corner.nationalreview.com/
Real Clear Politics calculates that with her victory of 216,000 votes last night, Hillary Clinton is now narrowly ahead in the popular vote count if you count her victories in Michigan (where Obama wasn’t on the ballot) and Florida, and you don’t count the totals of certain caucus states that don’t record the actual number of caucus-goers who back one candidate over another (Iowa, Washington, Nevada and Maine). If you count the vote differently, Obama is ahead by half a million votes or more.
So she’s ahead, but not really. Either way, it keeps the argument going a nasty argument that turns on details and technicalities. It’s just the kind of argument you want to see Democrats having with one another. Given that the next big election day (May 6) will probably see a split decision between Indiana and North Carolina, the race will remain close for at least another month, possibly longer.
“Operation Chaos” has succeeded.
04/23 09:43 AM
bttt LOL
My keyboard has to be cleaned because of industrial accidents like yours.
In fact I had to replace a mouse. I had the mouse on a pillow on my lap as per my PT’s recommendation for a torn bicep head/rotator cuff.
I got some new potential Obama toons from a non freeper, and I had a sip of Iced Green Tea in my mouth. The mouse got the full impact. The pillow case washed out okay, the mouse had to be replaced.
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Operation Chaos has succeeded.
Good for us!
But now let’s see if we can’t help boost Barack over the top
... the Dem who utterly cannot win in November.
(While you and i won’t even have to actually vote for McCain!)
HillBilly will not win the pledge delegate count... which means the Superdelegates will SELECT (selected not elected) HillBilly over Fauxbama, and create chaos for the D in the general.
Fauxbama cannot win a general election in fact the only reason he’s around at all is a confluence of 2 primary things... 1)Anti-Hillary sentiment within the democratic faithful.. yes a lot of Dems don’t like or want her. 2) She’s run a wretchedly bad campaign.
Fauxbama has been able to capitalize on the first, and her ineptitude in the second is why he’s still around.
However due to the proportional delgate system the dems use, she cannot take the lead before the convention.
If the superdelegates pick Fauxbama, they assure themsleves a most completely humiliating loss in November. If they pick HillBilly, they assure a fissure in the party that will certainly cost them November. Though HillBilly is more of a threat to win in Nov than Fauxbama.. the selecting of her as the nominee after she loses the pledge delegates will guarantee the black community will backlash and either stay home in big enough numbers, or just out and out riot in the streets. And no national Democrat can win without getting 90%+ of the black vote.
The way things are looking right now... I see no way for either of these 2 to seriously have a chance at winning. Should the situation on the ground in IRAQ change significantly then perhaps the anti-war argument may be able to coalesque enough to pull a victory for the D’s.. but outside of that or something similar, I just don’t see it happening.
HillBilly spanked Fauxbama last night.. I mean absolutely spanked him. If that doesn’t wake the dem. superdelegates to reality nothing will. Fauxbama cannot win a general election. (I personally don’t think HillBilly can win either, but at least she’ll not wind up making McGovern’s numbers look good)
He outspent her something like 3 to 1 here, and he had every chance to make it close or even pull out a squeaker after several misteps by HillBilly... However he couldn’t hide who he is, and once some of the truth got out, he could not contain it, handle it insanely poorly and his comments about guns and religion sealed his fate.
He lost by 10 points when spending 3 to 1.. that’s not a solid beating folks.. that’s an absolute trouncing. If HillBilly could have matched his spending dollar for dollar she would have won by 15-20 points or more.
I hereby take a bow for being the first one to tag the senator from Illinos with the new name barack mcgovern. As just a simple ( but not simple minded) Freeper all I could do was stay on message until someone with a platform and a bull horn “thought” of calling him barack mcgovern.
Watch it take off and stick!
bump & a ping
Have to hand it to Hill. She’s tough.
In a year when they were supposed to do well nationwide, but all of our ills can be traced back to donkeys or their their half baked economic solutions, global warming foolery and sedition over Iraq. Our economy sucks because of left wing handicaps of printing fiat currency, easy credit, over regulation of industry, entitlement spending, etc. Our economy is going nowhere without energy independence, spending discipline and entitlement reform. Unfortunately, our standard bearer, McRino, is economically illiterate and can't call the donkeys for what they are doing in wishing for defeat in Iraq.
This election was the Dems to lose. This election also had the potential to tip the SC, laying the groundwork for the eventual overturning of Roe v. Wade. I can't help but attribute this incredible sequence of events to divine intervention.
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