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The Clinton-Obama Debate: Turn Out The Lights/The Party's Over
Red State ^ | Feb. 27, 2008 | by Pejman Yousefzadeh

Posted on 02/27/2008 6:19:43 AM PST by jdm

I only caught some of the debate, but it was a disaster for Hillary Clinton. She skipped over questions that discomforted her--and boy, were there a lot of them. She was tedious, exhibiting an instinct for the capillaries that had to have had her supporters cringing in agony. Was it really worth it to whine about how she got the first question and then bring up the Saturday Night Live about the media showing favoritism towards Obama? To be sure, the skit was right and Hillary Clinton had reason to complain, but if she didn't actually believe that she would come out of that exchange looking badly, she has learned nothing whatsoever from her time on the campaign trail.

Equally horrible was the comment about how she just doesn't have time to release her taxes, or that Barack Obama was not sufficiently anti-anti-Semitic when he said that he "denounced" Louis Farrakhan as opposed to "rejecting" Farrakhan. Really, the whole thing was pathetic beyond measure. I know that it is common practice to believe that Hillary Clinton is The Smartest Woman In The World, or something along those lines. But her side of the debate looked clumsy, amateurish and dumb beyond measure.

Meanwhile, Obama was cool, confident, comfortable in his own skin and looked like a winner. I take no joy in writing that because I would much rather have John McCain face Hillary Clinton in the general election; it would be a far easier campaign for McCain to win, after all. But despite my earlier confidence that somehow, someway, Hillary Clinton would find a way to pull through, it is obvious that it's just not going to happen. One way or the other, Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee.

And Republicans will be in for an epic battle. Don't believe me? Then read this. No, Barack Obama is not Ronald Reagan. But he stands to profit from being underestimated by his foes just as Reagan did. Perhaps someone would want to see to it that such a luxury is denied Obama.

Assuming that Republicans want to win, of course.


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To: NeoCaveman
Poor Missus Clinton, she was being taken on by Obama, Russert, and Williams.

2 Kings 9:32 "And Jehu lifted up his face to the window and said 'who is on my side? who?!" and there looked out at him 2 or 3 eunuchs (no balls) and he said "throw her down!" So they threw her down:

61 posted on 02/27/2008 7:11:53 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: NCLaw441
20 minutes as the copying machine, max, and then it can be released. Looks like maybe, stretching it, a half-day job.

This, you expect, from the woman who couldn't find the billing records that apparently had been sitting on the dining room table for 2 years?????
62 posted on 02/27/2008 7:12:11 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: NavyCanDo
Tim Russert went into this debate with an agenda to attack Hillary from the opening bell, and that he did.

I only caught the last few minutes of the debate. But I nearly puked over Russert's giddiness in the post-debate analysis, as to how he got Hillary to publicly "take back" her Iraq vote.

90% of this year's election has been about the "horse race", and 10% on the issues. The Fourth Estate should be ashamed of themselves, instead they're breaking their arms from patting themselves on their backs.

As we all know, Hillary's delay in producing her tax return is pure obfuscation. Is there any Senator or Congress critter that prepares their own return?

The day the tax code is simplified is the day after Senators and Congressman enact a law that requires them to personally fill out their own income tax returns.

That's why I'm spending the rest of my career focusing on tax accounting. It's a necessary evil that touches everyone, so I figure that's a safe, reliable way to stay employed.

63 posted on 02/27/2008 7:14:21 AM PST by Night Hides Not (I'm voting for McCain...if (and only if) his VP is JC Watts!)
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To: abstracTT
no matter who wins, we all lose.

Ain't that the truth. In these latter days, even Huckabee seems preferable to the 3 senators --- that is how bad this whole bunch is.


64 posted on 02/27/2008 7:15:45 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: saganite
I think the strategy for conservatives...

Strategy?

Strategy?

Conservatives have a strategy?

Would that not involve at least two conservatives to agree, and then work together??

Never happen GI

65 posted on 02/27/2008 7:16:53 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Hattie
"When asked about Hillary not releasing IRS records, Paul Begala then asked,"Has John McCain released his medical records? Look for this to be a big issue in the general."

McCain will have to resort to standing on precedence!!

Bill Clinton never released his medical records.

66 posted on 02/27/2008 7:22:05 AM PST by LADY J
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To: Red in Blue PA
“You like Hill? Think that she shouldn’t be asked tough questions about her and her campaign?”

Thats not what I said. I was laughing at the tough questions, but I was waiting for the tough ones to Obama to balance out the night, and they just did not come. A debate moderator should not be agenda driven, if that agenda was to appear to favor one candidate and destroy the other. Which is the impression I got.

I have a newspaper in front of me I saved from long ago.
Tacoma News Tribune
December 20, 1998
Headline: CLINTON IMPEACHED
I am counting the days when I can add to this, a paper with the headline, “CLINTON DROPS OUT” signaling the final end to the idol worship of the Clintons, and the day she is left on the ash-heap of forgotten also-rans and her cheating husband is left with no legacy at all. But the media selecting the Democrat challenger by overly promoting him bothers me. Seems like thats how McCain came up from battling Fred Thompson for the #4 spot just 8 weeks ago to being the only candidate left standing.

67 posted on 02/27/2008 7:22:05 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: NCLaw441
When she said she didn’t have time to release her tax returns someone should have asked “What is involved in releasing your tax return?”

It would take months of whiting out numbers SHE doesn't want us to see.


68 posted on 02/27/2008 7:25:12 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: normy

That’s no way to treat a (former first) lady....


69 posted on 02/27/2008 7:25:55 AM PST by NeoCaveman (El Conservo Tribe, tribal name "Avoids Fort Marcy Park")
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To: normy
Agree on the gratitude to Obama and help from the MSM for (Hopefully) ushering the Clintoons into well deserved obscurity. Don’t agree that Obama is easily beaten though. Look at who he's up against - A loser who barely gets 40% of his own Party's vote when running in virtually uncontested Primaries.

This election season has turned what otherwise would be a very cold (Global Cooling!) Winter into one of some enjoyment. Hillary’s demise almost compensates.

70 posted on 02/27/2008 7:26:12 AM PST by Doneit
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To: Hattie
Finally someone else saw what I did. A moderator is not supposed to adopt a hostile attitude to the candidate, then fight and argue with her, waving papers in her face. That is for the other candidate to do.

That's tough sh!t on her part. In that infamous MSNBC debate last fall Russert asked the question about whether or not Hillary Clinton supported the plan by the governor of New York to give drivers' licenses to illegal aliens. It was a direct question, a relevant one (illegal immigration has been a major political topic in the U.S. in recent years, and Clinton is, after all, one of the U.S. senators from New York), and it was an absolutely unbiased question.

The Clinton campaign spent the better part of the following week personally attacking Russert, suggesting that he and the other candidates had "ganged up on her" because she was the only woman on the stage, etc.

Eff every one of them. Russert had absolutely every reason to treat this woman as the steaming pile of horse sh!t that she is. In fact, I think he was very mild in his approach. If I were in his position, the first question I would have asked would have been: "Hey, Hillary -- why in heaven's name did you show up here for this debate wearing so much makeup? Did you need a highway crew to paint that sh!t on, or what?"

71 posted on 02/27/2008 7:26:39 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: NavyCanDo

>> Tim Russert went into this debate with an agenda to attack Hillary from the opening bell, and that he did.

I’m not a Tim Russert fan, but I thought he did a good job on BOTH candidates. he didn’t shy away from tough questions and he was pretty good about keeping them to the question instead of letting them wander and spin.

Brian Williams, on the other hand, was his usual wussy self.


72 posted on 02/27/2008 7:27:18 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: normy
John McCain will wipe the floor with Obama.

This might be the case in the Rational, Paralell Universe way over there, but in THIS universe, in this Oprafied country, all bets are off. The media will absolutely cover for him. Just like they did for the Clintons for so long (until Obama came along that is). The country will elect the man who makes them feel all warm and fuzzy, despite the fact that he is absolutely an empty shirt. It is the final triumph of symbolism over substance. Any attack on him will be analyzed and dissected until a possible racial motive can be derived from it and thus denounced.

Are you KIDDING me? This guy has just DESTROYED Hillary, he has CRUSHED the Clinton Legacy. The CLINTONS! The "greatest" (Dirtiest) politicians this country has ever known! He (along with his sychophants) will make mince meat out of McCain.

I will happily eat my shirt and take a picture of myself out in public, shirtless, with the words "Obama's better than my Momma" written on my chest, if McCain were to somehow win.

73 posted on 02/27/2008 7:30:45 AM PST by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: nikos1121

he’ll have as much success at unifiying the country as Clinton, Bush and Reagan. It is impossible, and cannot be done. When he raises taxes and forfeits the WOT, he will have 50% of the country as fierce enemies. Frankly, he already does. I will never unite with a Marxist America Hater. That’s all he is.


74 posted on 02/27/2008 7:32:27 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: TomGuy

Russert called Clinton on her pledge of creating 200,000 jobs for upstate NY, when it actually had a net loss (60,000?).

She responded well with saying that was because algore wasn’t elected.


75 posted on 02/27/2008 7:32:45 AM PST by hecht
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To: ctdonath2

notice how he pronounces Farrakhan and pakistan like an arab


76 posted on 02/27/2008 7:34:43 AM PST by hecht
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To: Red Badger

Badger, we got work to do........our own ( could be trolls) need to understand McCain ain’t perfect but he ain’t a death sentence such as Hillary or Obama would be.

..BTW, there is a floating thread blaming Hill/Obama on the economic downturn that is excellent...........

...I’ll be in and out as business calls but thenI’m coming to FR loaded for Kodiac bear !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


77 posted on 02/27/2008 7:34:47 AM PST by advertising guy (Freeper tribal name...... Sgt. War Paint Squirrel)
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To: Paradox

While McCain is about as far from what I consider an ideal candidate, he is a campaigner, and he has a few things going for him. We are at war, older people won’t vote for BO, Hispanics are not going to be excited about BO, and frankly, Obama is so far left, it would be a huge gaffe if McCain cannot win a good portion of the middle voters. Obama will be tough, and has the media on his side. I think McCain has a real shot, but it is going to be a difficult battle.


78 posted on 02/27/2008 7:36:27 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: ilgipper
older people won’t vote for BO,

Really? McCain voted against the AARP/WH supported Medicare Prescription Drug program. You can bet that will be brought up by Obama.

79 posted on 02/27/2008 7:39:43 AM PST by kabar
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Clinton’s biggest mistake was that drivers licenses mess. We have Russert to thank for that as well.

And Rush...

RUSH: I want to go back to the archives. By the way, welcome back. Rush Limbaugh, as usual, half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair. Back to the archives. This is what started the nosedive of the Clinton campaign. This is me. This is October 30th of 2007.

RUSH ARCHIVE: What is amazing to me about this is how Mrs. Clinton gets to be quiet when she wants to be quiet. This is her state! The fact that she's a presidential candidate only adds to the fact she should be asked about this. The fact that she's a senator from the state of New York and not being peppered by the press, "What do you think of the governor's plans here for illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses?" It is amazing how she's able to skate. She's given a pass! It's "too radioactive" for her, writes the AP. Man, oh, man, oh, man. Would I have loved over several occasions the last 18 years for you dummkopfs in the media to think certain issues were too radioactive for me to talk about. Good grief! The woman doesn't have to say diddly-squat about anything, and she doesn't. (cont.)



We Started Mrs. Clinton’s Slide, But Now We Need Her to Stay Alive
80 posted on 02/27/2008 7:40:01 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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