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Honolulu PD, NRA Square Off On Rifle Debate
KITV-4 (Hawaii) ^ | 2/22/08 | n/a

Posted on 02/25/2008 8:38:35 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

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To: Gaffer
--I don't know what your point is--

--mine being, in response to those who maintain that "one bullet from a .50 cal rifle can bring down a plane", that during WW2 , 12000 rounds of .50BMG were expended per enemy plane shot down---

121 posted on 02/25/2008 10:23:28 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: SoldierDad
Well, then, I want my F-22.

Ha! Yeah sure, if you've got $130 million lying around the house, go for it. Not to mention the maintenance crew and ordinance that you've have to maintain to keep it.

If a civilian can afford all that and has tens of thousands of square miles of private land to fire the ord, why not?

122 posted on 02/25/2008 10:24:59 AM PST by GunRunner (Vote for Obama, because the past is history, the future is yet to come, and platitudes are forever.)
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To: ol' hoghead

Thanks. That’s a good point. The Fifty Cal wouldn’t cross most people’s minds, except that the govenrment frequently brings it up to parade it around as an issue. If they’d shut up about it, very few people would even consider purchasing one.


123 posted on 02/25/2008 10:25:24 AM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: SoldierDad

Why not?


124 posted on 02/25/2008 10:25:43 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: SoldierDad

‘legitimate purpose for civilian use’

ugh


125 posted on 02/25/2008 10:25:57 AM PST by Unassuaged (I have shocking data relevant to the conversation!)
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To: rellimpank

There is always the “golden bb” effect, but that’s not something to reasonable base one’s tactics on. :)


126 posted on 02/25/2008 10:25:57 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SoldierDad

You want an F-22? Abrams? Aircraft carrier? Go right ahead! If you can afford it and find a willing seller, it’s yours with just an additional $200 tax and a couple sheets of easy paperwork.

I know someone selling a 90mm cannon. $125,000 and it’s yours.


127 posted on 02/25/2008 10:26:27 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: rellimpank

I was thinking 12,000 rounds for a WWII type fighter is a lot of weight and space, that’s all....I guess an A-10 warthog carries more.


128 posted on 02/25/2008 10:27:40 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kiriath_jearim
four-tenths of a mile away.

Oh come now - that's not hard at all with what's in the closets of 1/4th of all Americans. Admittedly not a trivial shot, but easily & reliably achieved with a couple days' practice with a common bolt-action scoped '30-06 or .308!

129 posted on 02/25/2008 10:30:05 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: SoldierDad
Well, then, I want my F-22. I want to be able to own an Abrams tank. I want to have a battleship or an Aircraft Carrier.

Well at least you did not start ranting about flamethrowers and bazookas. The Brady group must have revamped their talking points booklet...............

130 posted on 02/25/2008 10:30:23 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Gaffer
250 rounds of .50 belted in cans would be almost 50 cans...that’s an awful lot of space for something like an F-4 or similar....

100 rounds per can = 2 1/2 cans for 250 rnds.

131 posted on 02/25/2008 10:31:28 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: SoldierDad
With all due respect, what are you doing here? Why did you join FreeRepublic?

Is it lost on you that this is a 100% gun rights forum? We have no use for people who would outlaw semi-automatic rifles here. Please leave.

132 posted on 02/25/2008 10:33:20 AM PST by GunRunner (Vote for Obama, because the past is history, the future is yet to come, and platitudes are forever.)
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To: Poser
“Where all applicable background checks and paperwork will be completed before you can take possession.”

Just like any other firearm.

But you can in fact buy one online and have it sent to a local dealer to complete the transfer.

133 posted on 02/25/2008 10:37:03 AM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: jaydubya2

Even the single shot versions run $3,000 or more.


134 posted on 02/25/2008 10:38:24 AM PST by green iguana
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To: SoldierDad
So, you wish to try and compare the late 1700’s with today? Wow. No small stretch for use of logic there. Yeah, there’s no difference today compared to during the 1700’s.

Ah, the "Living Constitution" argument.

How about you come and play poker at my house then. We can have "living rules" and I get to "interpret" them. Bring lots of cash.

135 posted on 02/25/2008 10:38:29 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Eagle Eye

Bump.

Some idiots don’t get it.


136 posted on 02/25/2008 10:38:37 AM PST by xone
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To: GunRunner

ordinance = ordnance


137 posted on 02/25/2008 10:38:41 AM PST by GunRunner (Vote for Obama, because the past is history, the future is yet to come, and platitudes are forever.)
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To: SoldierDad

The Second Amendment states ‘arms’, not ‘firearms’. Why can’t I own a small mortar?


138 posted on 02/25/2008 10:38:42 AM PST by wastedyears (This is my BOOMSTICK)
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To: kiriath_jearim
It argued that the weapon hasn't ever been used in a crime in the islands.

"We haven't had any incidents of robbers at banks or terrorist shooting airplanes -- it just doesn't happen," HRA member Mark Plischke said.

But police said they don't want to wait until then.

Quick! We must outlaw all chemistry classes! People can learn to make explosives in them! What a nightmare! Never mind that people AREN'T using their basic knowledge of chemistry to make explosives! We don't want to wait until someone DOES!

Other BEM (Booger Eating Moron) remarks by the PD... That these rifles are capable of accurately hitting a target 4/10 of a mile away... That would be 704 yards... I would hate to inform them that there are LOTS of rifles that can accurately hit a target 700+ yards away... Should all of them be banned? And what about those calibers that are still dangerous at ranges like that and beyond? I seem to recall reading a .22LR box that warned the rounds were dangerous out to 1.5 miles... More than 3 times the distance that this BEM is having nightmares over.

Finally, yes... The .50BMG is used as an anti-aircraft weapon... When fired from an M-2 machine gun. The odds of hitting a flying airplane with a 4' long, 30 pound semi-auto rifle would be on order of miraculous. Sheer idiocy. But what else should we expect. They need to demonize one firearm just to get their nose in the tent.

Mark

139 posted on 02/25/2008 10:39:34 AM PST by MarkL
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To: MileHi
How about you come and play poker at my house then. We can have "living rules" and I get to "interpret" them. Bring lots of cash.

LOL! That almost cost me a monitor!

140 posted on 02/25/2008 10:41:05 AM PST by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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