Sources: Romney to endorse McCain for GOP nomination

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[Robbin]

Romney has withdrawn and asked his delegates to support McCain.

[DelphiUser]

U Said: Delphi, just because someone says it is “Jesus” doesn’t mean it is the same Jesus. There is a guy in Central America claiming to be Jesus come in the flesh as well.

Don't pretend to be Stupid, ok? The testimony was of Jesus of Nazareth, and no I am not going to give you exact details. Jesus, you know, the Guy in the Bible? That's who. You did not Mormons the witness, I did. I am shocked and disappointed that a self professed believer in Jesus would try to deny someone else's testimony of Him. You need to repent, Brother.

His claims do not match Scripture’s claims. Neither do Mormonism’s.

Actually it is the orthodox Christianity's claims that do not match scripture. I am not trying to denigrate your faith, so I will not post links or lists of discrepancies unless forced to. In case you are interested, click my name at the bottom of this post and look at Arianism, Hippolytus, and the first council of Nicea. You'll be shocked. If you want to discuss it, I would prefer to have that conversation off line so as not to damage anyone's faith.

You have a Good one and stop believing this "Different Jesus" stuff somebody has fed you.

Good day and God bless.

[P-Marlowe]

That’s mainly why I can’t at this point support him.

Well I can't at this point support him either. At this point I've got nowhere else to turn but Huckabee. At this point I'm supporting Huckabee.

After the convention, I expect that I will be supporting McCain. Right now, I'd crawl across a mile of broken glass to head off a nomination by McCain and I'd vote for Hucakbee if I had the opportunity. But I don't.

I squandered my vote on Romney and he rewarded me by handing all his delegates to McCain.

[Blogger]

Don’t be insulting. Just because you call him Jesus doesn’t mean he is. The LDS Jesus was a being that had a beginning. The Biblical Jesus did not. The LDS Jesus is the second person of the ONE God. The LDS Jesus is one of many gods. The Biblical Jesus died for ALL of our sins and His death completely and wholly purchases redemption and heaven for the believer. The LDS says that our works determine which heaven we go to - the one where non-Mormons go (the lowest), the one where somewhat faithful Mormons go. The one where obedient Mormons go where they can aspire to godhood.

Yes, Delphi, I know the guy in the Bible. You do not.
I have degrees in both history and theology - so I’m well aware of the folks you speak of. The LDS’s historical claims are extremely poor to be generous.

[fortheDeclaration]

You had better read the entire epistle of 1st John and not just 1Jn.4.

John is speaking of Christ as the living Word that became Flesh (1Jn.1)

And the Living Word that is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit (1Jn.5:7).

So, while John is addressing a particular heresy in 1Jn.4 regarding gnostics who deny that Christ came in the flesh, he also makes it very clear that Christ is the Word, the Second person of the Tri-unity of the three, which became flesh (Jn.1:1-2,see also what Paul wrote- 1Tim.3:16) and if you deny that (which Mormons do) you are denying the record the Father gave regarding His Son (1Jn.5:7-10).

So, it is you who needs to do some serious praying, and not over the Book of Mormon, but over the Bible, and not just the portions that you want.

[fortheDeclaration]

U Said: Second, Christ (the Word-the 2nd Person of the Trinity-Jn.1:1-2) created everything, including the Angels (Col.1:16-17) So, Satan (Lucifer) is not a brother of Jesus Christ. You are assuming the Trinity to be a true doctrine, which sadly it is not, thus your logic falls apart there, but I do understand and Sympathize with what you are trying to do here, Please read my section on the Trinity it links a bunch of Documents from the Catholic enclyclopedia, and I try not to post monster posts in thread, thanks! U Said: The second member of the Trinity, became a human being, not an Angel (2:16), and that is why only He can call the Father, Father, since He is the Father's only begotten Son, not any of the Angels. (Heb.1:5) You have already Gone astray on the Biggest point of doctrinal difference between Mormons and and "Orthodox" Christians, we don't believe in the Trinity which is not to be found anywhere in the Bible, we believe in the Godhead which is in the Bible. The Big difference in the Trinity and the Godhead is the Trinity has God and Christ being of the same substance, where the Godhead has them having unity of Thought, Might Mind and Strength, but a distinctness of persons.

Well, you really don't understand the Trinity then.

The Trinity has God the Father, God the Son (The Word before He was begotten), and God the Holy Ghost as having the same Divine Substance (all three being Eternal and Perfect).

And all three being distinct Persons as well, each having Intellect, Sensibility and Will.

So, in the Eternal Unity of Perfection of the three, there is also diversity of Persons.

We could spend lots of time throwing scriptures at each other, and nobody will win (although it can be cathartic), or we can discuss like adults the differences these differing perspectives give us. Not to try to argue, but so you can understand what kind of "Unity" I am talking about, Adam and eve were commanded to be "one flesh", yet retained their distinctness. Jesus commanded the Disciples to be one even as he and the father were one, I know you don't believe that, but I do, and I can make a good argument that that is what the early church fathers believed, if we have to go down that road. However, I find it more fascinating to discuss the difference this seeming small perspective shift makes in the scriptures. To me the Baptism of Jesus is an event attended by he father, to you it is a spiritual not literal event, upon he cross, the father had to allow Jesus to die on his own, and Jesus complains about being left alone by God the Father.

First, at the Baptism of Christ, all three Persons were present, the Father who spake, and the Holy Ghost depicted as a dove and ofcourse, Jesus Christ.

On the Cross, it was the human nature of Christ that was bearing the sins of the world, and that was the relationship that was broken.

The unity between the Trinity can never be broken.

I have an adopted uncle who is Jewish (he was disowned by his family when he first joined) Who told me that the Jews had a tradition that the Father had to attend the Bris (Circumcision) of their sons as a type of God standing by while his son was hurt. There is so much we can teach each other, anybody want to, or are we going to bash scriptures till we both turn blue?

Well, if you are preaching a false gospels of grace plus works, it is our responsibility to let you know and others as well.

We are to earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints.

Your religion rejects the truth of the Trinity and thus, the Christ you are believing on is not the Christ of the Bible but another Jesus , another spirit and another Gospel (2Cor.11:4).

Think about it.

I have and one of us is right and on the the way to heaven and the other one is wrong and on the way to Hell.

So we are dealing with the most important issue there is, the salvation of one's very soul.

God bless.

Thank you and I hope you will come to the knowledge of the truth of the real Christ, the Second Person of the Trinity, Perfect man and Perfect God, who died for the sins of the world so that one can be have eternal life forever by grace, through faith.

[ajay_kumar]

Gates does NOT have enough education.
Gates does NOT have executive political experience.
Gates looks like a nerd.

[ajay_kumar]

I do not trust McCain as much. Which is why he was not amongst top 2 on my preference list.

However if Hillobama appoints the judges, I know we on the right are screwed royally for 30+ years.

[ajay_kumar]

Yes they are wrong too. Let us leave religion on a private level. It has nothing to do in electing a president.

[ajay_kumar]

What a load of crap.

If that is your counter argument, it reflects on your shallow intellect.

[P-Marlowe]

If that is your counter argument, it reflects on your shallow intellect.

The fact that you would post such a load of crap reflects on yours.

[svcw]

This is what the post said: Romney would make he best VP this country can possibly have.
No one has more accomplishments, no one has higher IQ, no one
has higher education, no one has been so successful in running actual business enterprises.

Gates has accomplished more than MR ever thought of. Gates has more business experience. Gates did not finish college true enough.

My point was that there are many people who are successful in business and have high IQs that does not necessarily mean they should be president.

And the poster said no one has been more successful than MR in running a business - Gates has.

[tsowellfan]

Actually the few differences between McCain and Bush are differences where I prefer Bush and NOT McCain but there IS one headline I have doubts I would have seen in McCain were President today and that deadline is “Iran’s President to Visit Iraq in March”. What up with THAT!?

[tsowellfan]

Correcting the typos (for the non-Bushites ;) )

Actually the few differences between McCain and Bush are differences where I prefer Bush and NOT McCain but there IS one headline I have doubts I would have seen if McCain were President today and that headline is “Iran’s President to Visit Iraq in March”. What up with THAT!?

[ansel12]

“The same reason Romney did. This election was over, done, finished on Super Tuesday; so he did what he had to do in order to run again, just as Reagan did.”

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Reagan fought Ford all the way into the convention, and then kept fighting.

>The key vote of the convention occurred when Reagan’s managers proposed a rules change that would have required Ford to publicly announce his running mate before the presidential balloting. Reagan’s managers hoped that when Ford announced his choice for vice-president, it would anger one of the two factions of the party and thus help Reagan. The proposed rules change, however, was defeated by a vote of 1180 to 1069, and Ford gained the momentum he needed to win the nomination. The balloting for president was still close, however, as Ford won the nomination with 1187 votes to 1070 votes for Reagan (and one for Elliot L. Richardson of Massachusetts).

Reagan endorsed Ford after his defeat, and gave an eloquent and stirring speech that overshadowed Ford’s own acceptance address. Some delegates later stated that they left the convention wondering if they had voted for the wrong candidate.<

[DelphiUser]

I Said: Don’t be insulting. Just because you call him Jesus doesn’t mean he is.

Don't be insulting? HAH! You sir have been nothing but.

Here is where the I'm rubber and your Glue arguments start.

U Said: The LDS Jesus was a being that had a beginning. The Biblical Jesus did not.

The Bible says he was born in Bethlehem...

U Said: The LDS Jesus is the second person of the ONE God. The LDS Jesus is one of many gods.

It is you who misunderstands, Jesus is one with his father, but it's not a oneness of substance as you unbiblically allege, it is a oneness as is used throughout the Bible, Adam and Eve Commanded to be one flesh, the Disciples Commanded to be one even as God and Christ are one, we have been commanded to be one with each other and Christ, and you think that God and Jesus' oneness is "of one substance, With that logic, I hope you are not allowed to interpret the Second amendment some day...

U Said: The Biblical Jesus died for ALL of our sins and His death completely and wholly purchases redemption and heaven for the believer.

On this point we agree completely.

I Said: The LDS says that our works determine which heaven we go to - the one where non-Mormons go (the lowest), the one where somewhat faithful Mormons go. The one where obedient Mormons go where they can aspire to godhood.

You have a limited at best understanding, this explanation of yours is entirely wrong.

U Said: Yes, Delphi, I know the guy in the Bible. You do not.

When is the last time you saw him? Joseph smith learned more about Jesus Christ in a few minutes in that grove than you could ever know.

U Said: I have degrees in both history and theology - so I’m well aware of the folks you speak of. The LDS’s historical claims are extremely poor to be generous.

An interesting defense, "your argument is poor, abandon it."

LOL!

[Mojave]

no one has higher IQ, no one

Verification of assertion not available on request.

[P-Marlowe]

Verification of assertion not available on request.

I believe Ted Bundy had a higher IQ.

[Blogger]

Don't be insulting? HAH! You sir have been nothing but.
Show me where I have made a string of personal attacks on you. On your belief system, yes. But I have been rather factual in my statements and I have backed up what I have said. U Said: The LDS Jesus was a being that had a beginning. The Biblical Jesus did not.
The Bible says he was born in Bethlehem...
You know better than that. The LDS Jesus was born after God the Father who was once a man had sex with one of his wives in the planet near the star Kolob. The biblical Jesus IS God and never had a beginning as God. Period. Case closed. End of story. Mormonism has a false Christ that it preaches and trying to say "we're Christian" doesn't cut it any more than the evil kook in Central America saying that he is Christ cuts it.

U Said: The LDS Jesus is the second person of the ONE God. The LDS Jesus is one of many gods.

It is you who misunderstands, Jesus is one with his father, but it's not a oneness of substance as you unbiblically allege, it is a oneness as is used throughout the Bible, Adam and Eve Commanded to be one flesh, the Disciples Commanded to be one even as God and Christ are one, we have been commanded to be one with each other and Christ, and you think that God and Jesus' oneness is "of one substance, With that logic, I hope you are not allowed to interpret the Second amendment some day...
Number one, notice how you frame your arguments. I am framing them "the LDS church teaches" You are framing them "You [personally] don't understand". That's the difference between making it personal and discussing a belief. That said, Scripture says:

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God." (John 1:1)



Therefore the LORD himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel (Isa. 7:14).(Which means God with us)

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." -Isaiah 9:6

Then He said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hands and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing." Thomas answered and said to Him, 'My Lord and my God' " - John 20:28

"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."Colossians 2:9 (All the fulness of deity)
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;- Titus 2:13

From these verses and many more we can see that Jesus was indeed God. Not akin to God. Not one in thought with God, but very God come in the flesh. Of course, LDS has no problems with Jesus being a god. The problem is really in the polytheism of the LDS. The LDS teaches and has taught from its inception the concept that Jesus is one of MANY gods and is a separate god from god the father. This is biblically wrong. See the following:

Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. DEUTERONOMY 4:35,39

" See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand." Deuteronomy 32:39

"Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears." 2 Samuel 7:22

"That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else." 1 Kings 8:60
" O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears." 1 Chronicles 17:20

" For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?" Psalm 18:31

"Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no savior." Isaiah 43:10

"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Fear ye not, neither be afraid; have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any" Isaiah 44:6,8

"For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me." Isaiah 46:9

"As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." 1 Cor 8:4-6
"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen." 1 Timothy 1:17

"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." James 2:19


The CLEAR teaching of Scripture is that there is only one God. Since there are 3 persons worshipped as God in Scripture (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) then we believe by faith the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. To say there are many gods is biblically false. To say we may someday be gods is not only biblically false but it is to perpetuate the lie that Satan told Eve in the garden. God is the Only God and Jesus is his eternally pre-existent Son. One in nature and essence with God the Father and the Spirit. 3 persons. One God. Don't understand it? Then join the club. God is far greater than we could ever fully grasp and we see through a glass darkly. We aren't meant to fully understand and if we do, our god is too small.

The LDS says that our works determine which heaven we go to - the one where non-Mormons go (the lowest), the one where somewhat faithful Mormons go. The one where obedient Mormons go where they can aspire to godhood.

You have a limited at best understanding, this explanation of yours is entirely wrong.

Explain to me where it is wrong. Can a nominal Mormon go to the Celestial Heaven and become a god? Can a non-Mormon do so that was never baptized into the Mormon church? Never tithed to the Mormon church? Please, show me where I'm wrong on that. Doctrine and Covenants 88:22 says ""For he who is not able to abide the law of a celestial kingdom cannot abide a celestial glory." In other words, he who doesn't follow the Mormon rules doesn't get the highest glory. Mormon President Joseph Fielding Smith taught that the most important part of our existence is right here and now and what we do with our time here. For, our life here "would either give to those who received it the blessing of eternal life, which is the greatest gift of God, and thus qualify them for godhood as sons and daughters of our Eternal Father, or, if they rebelled and refused to comply with the laws and ordinances which were provided for their salvation, it would deny them the great gift and they would be assigned, after the resurrection, to some inferior sphere according to their works" (Doctrines of Salvation 1:69). And 12th Mormon President Spencer Kimball speaks of the finality of what "sphere" we end up in according to our works - "No progression between kingdoms. After a person has been assigned to his place in the kingdom, either in the telestial, the terrestrial, or the celestial, or to his exaltation, he will never advance from his assigned glory to another glory. That is eternal! That is why we must make our decisions early in life and why it is imperative that such decisions be right."

So again, if I am wrong - please show me. From your scriptures and past Presidents voices, it appears I'm dead on right.

U Said: Yes, Delphi, I know the guy in the Bible. You do not.
When is the last time you saw him? Joseph smith learned more about Jesus Christ in a few minutes in that grove than you could ever know.
Which version of the story are we talking about? The one he spoke of in 1832 where his Bible study spurs him to wonder which religion is true, or the one 1838 version where it was a non-existent revival that spurred him to ask the question? The 1832 version where just the son appears to him? Or the 1838 version where both the Father and the Son appear to him? Or the version his mother Lucy told where it was an angel appearing to him? Maybe it is one of the other 6 versions of the vision out there. This Youtube video explains: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHPpG4SZxlw

U Said: I have degrees in both history and theology - so I’m well aware of the folks you speak of. The LDS’s historical claims are extremely poor to be generous.

An interesting defense, "your argument is poor, abandon it."

Okay, Archaeological evidence contradicts Mormonism. DNA evidence contradicts Mormonism. Biblical evidence contradicts Mormonism. ANd, Historical evidence contradicts Mormonism. It is up to you whether or not you abandon it.

[Blogger]

More on the 9 different versions of the first vision of Joseph Smith: http://www.mrm.org/topics/historical-issues/which-first-vision-account-should-we-believe

[DelphiUser]

U Said: You had better read the entire epistle of 1st John and not just 1Jn.4.

I have red the Bible cover to cover so many times that I lost count, but at least eight times.

U Said: John is speaking of Christ as the living Word that became Flesh (1Jn.1)

And the Living Word that is one with the Father and the Holy Spirit (1Jn.5:7). So, while John is addressing a particular heresy in 1Jn.4 regarding gnostics who deny that Christ came in the flesh, he also makes it very clear that Christ is the Word, the Second person of the Tri-unity of the three, which became flesh (Jn.1:1-2,see also what Paul wrote- 1Tim.3:16) and if you deny that (which Mormons do) you are denying the record the Father gave regarding His Son (1Jn.5:7-10).

Tri-Unity? ROTFLOL, if you can't beat them join them I guess, the difference that Mormons have with the Trinity is that according to the Trinity

God and Jesus are of the same substance, the Trinity then tries to say that Jesus being Begotten was a special definition of Begotten, in that he was already extant when begotton and just generally makes such a mess of meanings that it ends up being gibberish and then we are told that's the beauty of it. Please show me the word Tri-unity in the Bible. LOL!

Mormons believe in the Godhead with three distinct persons, who are unified in thought might mind and strength, thus the unity of God I spoke of earlier, this is the oneness of God.

U Said: So, it is you who needs to do some serious praying, and not over the Book of Mormon, but over the Bible, and not just the portions that you want.

You know nothing about me, I have prayed over the Bible, yes the whole thing, and I have received a similar answer tot he answer I received when praying about the Book of Mormon, in fact, I recieved tha answer about the Bible first!

Either God answered me about the Bible and the Book of Mormon, or God is a lair. Since God is not a liar then he has testified to me of the truthfulness of both books and not just selected portions.

There are undoubtedly now going to be people here who will post some irrelevant inconsistencies from the Book of Mormon. Do such points exist? Absolutely, I probably know of more than the anti's do. The bible has similar problems, and it's irrelevant, because both books are of God, Both books contain his word. What is important is how close you can get to God by reading the Books and understanding his nature is crucial to understanding him.

I will offer you a deal, I'll reread the New Testament and pray about it if you'll read the Book of Mormon and honestly pray about it, Deal?