[incindiary]

No, I'm not an isolationist. You have bought into Bush's neoconservatism, so since you are so far in that direction, anyone who is not with you, in your view, must be an "isolationist" or a leftist. As I already stated, I believe in the just war doctrine and in going by the constitution. That's hardly "fringe." If it is, we might as well throw out the constitution, since from what I'm hearing, only fringe whackos believe in it anymore.

And when I used the term "sovereign nation" I was in no way talking about Saddam, but the country of Iraq, meaning the regular people who had nothing to do with 9/11. Like most people, from the start I have been all for going after those who were responsible for that attack. That would be Osama bin Laden, right? Have we got him yet?

[exnavy]

Very good point, we have a constitution, let’s start using it for what it was intended to be. Words to live by.

[endthematrix]

"Iraq, meaning the regular people who had nothing to do with 9/11."

Uh, who said they did?

[freema]

The good people of Iraq you so sympathetically speak of yadayada are at the same time those “We the people” you speak of in the Consitution that “only fringe whackos believe in” anymore. Horsecrap.

The poor, poor people who had nothing to do with 9/11? Horsecrap.

Some of those same people in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Iran, and in the United States of America are the very isolationists who allow these death cult regimes to rule.

As for the old, tired, Just War Doctrine argument- perhaps you might pull it out and re-read it from a different perspective.

Those who choose to cut and run from this vote are no better. In fact, I look upon their ilk as no different than Saddam in his spider hole or Bill Clinton in the Oval Office. Dangerous cowards who care naught for anyone but themselves.

Thank God there are others who won’t cut and run and who refuse to live on Easy Street in Isolationville- those who have sacrificed for freedom here, there, and everywhere deserve better- especially from those who have not.

There are all manner of insulting thought processes on this thread.

This is far larger than any of us, individually. At least try to wrap your mind around it and be part of the solution.

[fieldmarshaldj]

You may say you’re not an isolationist, but your rhetoric claims otherwise. I haven’t “bought” into anything of the administration in the way of propaganda. I am what you call a “neo-Conservative.” We have, whether we like it or not, a substantial role to play in international affairs. The United States IS the United Nations. Our having to act reactively instead of pro-actively is the reason 9/11 happened in the first place. We wait until disaster strikes before we do anything. We can’t do that anymore. For those that yell that we’re not following the Constitution here, I might remind them that our Constitutional is not a mutual suicide pact.

I truly get rather tired hearing about what “world opinion” thinks of us. If we were so awful a nation, why do we remain the #1 destination for people trying to flee whatever fill-in-the-blank country is out there ? A large part of it is jealousy and rank hypocrisy. We don’t run our country on the popular opinion of other nations, and if they selected our leaders, they would be of the kind that would allow our nation to disintegrate and be overrun in short order.