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To: Jeff Head
Jeff, let me ask you a serious question.

I was an early and active supporter of He Who Must Not Be Named Around Here. I grew up in New York, lived there in the worst of times, and was always going to be for the guy who fixed it.

No matter - he wasn't up to it, and fell of his own weight. Too bad.

But during the purges, and afterwards, it seemed that the BIG ISSUE, the deal-breaker for FReepers, was abortion.

That's reasonable - my guy was deeply confused and unable to lead on that issue.

My question is, why doesn't McCain's consistent pro-life talk and walk buy him an ounce of cred around here? If the issue is big enough to sink a candidate, why isn't it big enough to catch McCain a break?

1,160 posted on 02/09/2008 7:59:49 AM PST by Jim Noble (Look out kid, they keep it all hid)
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To: Jim Noble
My question is, why doesn't McCain's consistent pro-life talk and walk buy him an ounce of cred around here? If the issue is big enough to sink a candidate, why isn't it big enough to catch McCain a break?

I'm thinking it's because the other big single issue here is immigration, and the folks on that issue are just as doctrinaire as the pro-lifers. They don't think about what could happen if we had a more conservative Congress. Even if McCain is President, and he supports a much more liberal immigration policy, if he can't get it though Congress, it doesn't matter what HIS personal ideas on the issue might be. So why not work hard for a much more conservative Congress? Then, even if the Republican in the White House isn't as conservative in all things as we might like, he WOULD be more inclined to listen to conservatives than a Democrat who won't even bother.

1,168 posted on 02/09/2008 8:10:09 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Jim Noble
Quite frankly, for me, the fact that he would support the right to life for unborn fetuses and opposes abortion, and that he would be much better for the SCOTUS and that he would continue to prosecute the war are things that I find critical.

I cannot give up the fight of 35 years on abortion and the SCOTUS in that regard and relegate us to another 30 years as I would do if Obama or Hillary got in. Tens of millions of innocents would have died in vain, and tens of thousands of others who have worked their heart out to put us on the verge of getting that majority on the SCOTUS would have worked in vain.

As to the war, the thousands who have died and the tens of thosuands who have been injured to keep us safe and take the fitght to the enemy would have had that sacrifice and that of their families go down in vain. I cannot allow that.

Now...this does not mean that I endorse McCain. I do not. We will lose other very critical areas that will change the face of this nation for the worse unless we continue active, as active as before, and shine the lite of truth on McCain and stop his amnesty and global warming initiatives. I believe we can do that with McCain...we already did once.

With Hillary or Obama and their majorities, we will have less chance, and will not only lose in the areas wherre McCain is disgustingly bad, we will lose in ALL areas.

In good conscience I cannot allow that. It would not be a vote in good conscience for McCain, it would be a vote in good conscience for preventing an even greater tragedy.

1,170 posted on 02/09/2008 8:12:13 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jim Noble

InSain gets no cred around here cause he has stabbed us in the back so many times we look like spagetti strainers. That said, I will hold my nose this election.

Pray for W and Our Troops


1,186 posted on 02/09/2008 8:32:50 AM PST by bray (Go InSain)
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To: Jim Noble
But during the purges, and afterwards, it seemed that the BIG ISSUE, the deal-breaker for FReepers, was abortion. That's reasonable - my guy was deeply confused and unable to lead on that issue. My question is, why doesn't McCain's consistent pro-life talk and walk buy him an ounce of cred around here? If the issue is big enough to sink a candidate, why isn't it big enough to catch McCain a break?

Rudy's biggest problem was abortion. Rudy should have admitted that he was wrong and come out against Roe v. Wade. Rudy didn't do that and that was his undoing (as I predicted).

So now we have McCain. McCain's biggest problem is his amnesty bill. Will McCain now admit that he was wrong and come out against amnesty?

I can tell you this. If he doesn't come out against amnesty, he has no chance.

1,191 posted on 02/09/2008 8:39:06 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Jim Noble
My question is, why doesn't McCain's consistent pro-life talk and walk buy him an ounce of cred around here? If the issue is big enough to sink a candidate, why isn't it big enough to catch McCain a break?

Since the 11th Commandment is in effect let just say McCain has a credibility issue with Conservatives because of the last decade. McCain, on virtually every issues of significance that has come up during the last decade has tended to agreeded more with Ted Kennedy then Rush Limbaugh. Pretty tough for McCain to demand our loyalty when he has had no loyalty to us.

1,214 posted on 02/09/2008 8:55:42 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Reagan's 11th Commandment is now in effect)
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To: Jim Noble

Supporting taxpayer funded embryonic cell research is NOT pro-life.


1,255 posted on 02/09/2008 9:47:28 AM PST by Politicalmom (Don't blame me. I voted for FRED!! I'm a refugee from the GOP.)
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To: Jim Noble

Kennedy-McCain Amnesty legislation

McCain-Edwards-Kennedy Patients’ Bill of Rights

McCain–Feingold Campain Finance Reform

McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship Act of 2003


1,302 posted on 02/09/2008 10:41:33 AM PST by gpapa (Kill the terrorists, protect the borders, punch the hippies)
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To: Jim Noble; Jeff Head
Freepers seem to be afraid of McCain. But not because of McCain. It is our unconscious fear about how Bush slowly let us down after we staked our votes for him. Immigration, overspending, Harriet Myers, prescription drug payoffs to the elderly, the Nafta road, Laura Bush being prochoice...

McCain is catching hell for the betrayal GOPers feel over Bush but we are just too childlike to admit it.

McCain is pro-life. McCain knows US History (heck, McCain MADE history as a POW). He is a crusty soul who needs genuine Christian redemption (and forgiveness for “the gooks” so he in turn may be forgiven by God) but I think he was tortured for his patriotism and automatically gives him an authority in the spirit that no other candidate has.

Everything about McCain’s personality and politics make sense when you deconstruct the facts of his life. Spoiled playboy jet pilot, family decorated military. Hero in the USS Forrestal disaster. Hero who would not get a free ticket home for the sake of his fellow POWs; he in essence, VOLUNTEERS to be a POW for 5 and a half years. Sits in his own feces for days at a time. Broken arms and legs — gets beaten instead of treated. (That’s why his arms are so weird to this day). Finally Nixon bombs and they let the POWs out —

and McCain, who essentially had been out of civilian life since the early sixties, is dropped into the brave new Hippie world of porn shops, pot smokers and anti war protesters who detest him. He was not only a POW, he was sucked into a time warp in Hanoi Hilton.

The Kennedy friendship? I’ve thought about it. McCain goes into Nam with sad patriotism over JFK’s death. Probably hears about RFK’s murder vis-a-vis his “gook” torturers who used it to demoralize the POWs. His early sixties mindset is what kept him going as a POW, kept him in league with the prayers of fellow POW jeremiah denton, etc. He missed Chappaquidick because he was a POW. So the name Kennedy does not have the same stink on it that it does for most modern GOPers.

Mea culpa for McCain? You bet. Freepers need to unite as Fred Thompson said.

And Thompson needs to be on the ticket. GO FRED GO. Thompson has “spiritual authority” over the Hollywood Dems (like his bleeding heart but great writer — producer Dick Wolf of LAW AND ORDER) and McCain has spiritual authority as a patriot. Now they both need Jesus and they unite the Party.

Go Fred. We need you NOW as VP. This is your time.

1,326 posted on 02/09/2008 11:26:16 AM PST by IreneE (Live for nothing or die for something.)
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