John / Billybob
You’re depressing me, John...
Two words for you: Boo hoo!
Hits the nail on the head. I can’t see how the country will get cleansed. We’ve turned a corner and are no longer the land we were intended to be.
The way we elect presidents sucks. By the time we got to vote in California crossover DemocRATS voting for McCain had a bigger say on who we could vote for than we California republicans did. We never got to vote for Thompson or Hunter. That was decided for us.
It sucks, hard.
Regards
Thanks for this information.
Amazing that in America - the land of the free - we have not managed to come up with a fair election after all these years.
What is the purpose of all of the campaigning if there is merely going to be manipulation behind the scenes. Why contribute to a party or candidate?
Seems a big waste of money to me.
I brought this up at our Minnesota caucus when a Huckabee supporter was bragging that Huckabee “won” WV. He was floored that this happened; so was everybody else in the room.
McCain lost in our precient by 17 points. I don’t think think the WV garbage helped him even with our Governor, Tim Pawlenty, stumping for him. The precinct leader read McCains letter to the precinct and then “forgot” to read the rest of the candidates letters until reminded....
I am shocked...shocked to find that politics takes place within the world of politics! Too bad Romney went out of his way to cheese everybody off, things might have worked out differently.
Only positive thing about McScampaign: he’s got a bag of dirty tricks at least as big as her Thighness.
I don’t see why this is unfair. In caucuses you get a second choice if your first doesn’t get enough initial support.The McCain people went to Huckabee, fair and square.
The fact is that Romney is a stuffed shirt, an empty vessel and more fake than a 3 dollar bill. Voters don’t like him, no matter how much the conservatives in the media (hannity, Rush etc etc) pump him up.
John McCain has just stolen the votes of West Virginia by giving them, temporarily, to his ally in the theft, Mike Huckabee.
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One question only. What rules were not followed in the WVa caucuses? Did anyone violate the procedures that the state GOP put together for the running of the caucus?
I’ve not heard a single example of a single rule being broken.
Can anyone provide examples? Or is the pain really because some folks have had to pull their heads out of the sand and recognize that politics on both sides of the aisle is exactly the same ... a dirty game with players motivated by money and power.
McCain is a Soros puppet and Huck is created by the Rockefellers just like the Clintons. The little boys with no money are beholding to their cash cows. It is time to expose those too crooks for what they are.
I think your argument is with the WVAGOP and their rules/regulations regarding the conduct of the caucus event. I think the allegation of stealing is a bit over the top when nothing in the rules prohibits making pacts/alliances.....
Show us where building alliances is against the rules of the WVAGOP, can you?. After all that is what politics is about. You build alliances/supporters from across the spectrum in order to get elected. No one not even Romney had enough votes to win outright without having others cross over and vote for him. Romney got beat because he didn’t or couldn’t secure the support of the other caucus goers in attendance that had a right to vote in the second round.
Here are the ballot totals for the first and second round of votes..... Apparently Romney couldn’t even cajole the Paul voters to his side.....
First ballot:
* Romney 464
* Huckabee 375
* McCain 176
* Paul 118
1,133 total votes
Paul was gone for round two.
The second ballot results were:
* Huckabee 524
* Romney 479
* McCain 11
1,014 total votes
Thus, 119 did not vote on the 2nd ballot; Romney gained 15 votes on the 2nd ballot; Huckabee gained 149; McCain lost 161.
Whatever happened to honor?
Whatever happened to honor?
Stolen election? Give me a break.
There is nothing immoral, illegal or unethical about Huckabee winning West Virginia. This is pure politics.
Sour Grapes.
Love ya Billybob, but I am not sure why this should get one worked up. If Hillary has the plurality before FL and MI are added, why is it a shame that she gets the majority after they are added? Seems like she's ahead in each case.
(What would happen if FL and MI were never tossed, but each went to, say, Edwards? Hillary still has the plurality, right? Wouldn't she still win the convention? Or do the DEMs drop the bottom feeders and re-vote for the top two? Sincere question here.)
I heard that Ron Paul’s people were also in on the deal in West Virginia.
But, you neglected the (probable) vote fraud in NH ?
Mrs Clinton won by 13% over Obama - but the day before, she trailed by 8-9%.
The difference was roughly 39,000 votes = 12% of the total democrat votes cast.
HOWEVER, slightly over 10% of the voters of the 480,000 democrat voters - particularly IN THE BORDER counties in NH next to Mass and Vermont were day-of-voting registrants. Thus, it is easy to see that Mass Clinton voters left their towns early (public school teachers and public employee unions especially were noticed “absent” that afternoon!) and voted in New Hampshire.
Now - Where they the “missing” 39,000 Hillary voters who swung the polls from Obama? Certainly there were enough (potential) “new” available votes to swing the outcome.
And, outside voters would NOT be included in the hundreds of polls run before the election: No pollster is going to ask a Mass voter how they vote in a NH election!
John;
Great post.
Here is the latest ordinace for Farmers Branch for your reading pleasure.
Clay
http://www.ci.farmers-branch.tx.us/Communication/Ordinance%20No%202952.doc
Who gets to decide whether Hillary Clinton delegates from Florida and Michigan get seated? Why, it’s the delegates who are already seated, that’s who. In that circumstance, Hillary can use her plurality on the floor to steal the delegates from those two states. Having done that, she will have stolen the nomination. Right in front of God and everybody.
I hope she does this!!
It will suppress the turnout. and drive a wedge deep in the the democrat party.