Could This Be Possible?

Peter N. Lewis

[plewis1250]

Okay, so this evening was like a glass of cold water hitting me in the face.

The GOP is on its way to nominating McCain as our Presidential candidate. If this happens, I WILL NOT vote Republican this Presidential election.

Here is my question, could Huckabee or Romney drop out, and endorse the other candidate, and request their delegates to join them in that support?

Could a VP promise from either of these men, with egos set aside, save the conservative vote?

I am willing to vote for EITHER of those two men for POTUS, and am willing to bet if the two were paired up, most conservatives would be willing to as well, especially considering the alternative.

I find it so laughable that McCain is calling himself the "true conservative" when nothing is further from the truth...

So, once again, is it possible for either of the candidates to do this?

From what I am reading on the Internet, I believe only a very few of Romney/Huckabee's delegates are hard, and could vote either direction once they convention comes around.

(http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R.phtml)

Just an idea I wanted to see what you guys thought of this, and if it would be possible or not.

- plewis1250

[Polybius]

McCain has serious “cred as the CinC”? How?

Well, for one thing, back in 2006, when The Surge was being opposed by everybody from the Cut & Run Democrat defeatists to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, McCain had the military understanding that you can't win a war on the cheap and with one hand tied behind your back and that The Surge was needed to win the war.

He got a lot of cr@p for that position, even from conservative pundits.

Published: Wednesday December 27, 2006 ..... Novak: McCain's 'aggressive surge' stance backfiring

We are now winning the war ..... Thanks to what John Edwards used to derisively call "McCain's Surge".

When the Iraq Study Group came out with its report and the Conventional Wisdom in most of America treated it like the Ten Commandments being carried down from Mount Sinai, McCain stood his ground and declared that there was no substitute for victory.

"I understand the polls show only 18 percent of the American people support my position. But I have to do what's right, what I believe is right and what my experience and knowledge and background tells me is the right thing to do in order to save this situation in Iraq... In war, my dear friends, there's no such thing as compromise. You either win or you lose." - Sen. John McCain's reaction to the Iraq Study Group Report, 2006

A man who spent most of his military “career” as a prisoner, in a foreign country,....

Oh, yes, we should certainly use his courage against him.

In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would be for two years.[44] In July 1968, McCain's father was named Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command (CINCPAC), stationed in Honolulu and commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater.[4] McCain was immediately offered a chance to return home early:[40] the North Vietnamese wanted a mercy-showing propaganda coup for the outside world, and a message that only privilege mattered that they could use against the other POWs.[44] McCain turned down the offer of repatriation due to the Code of Conduct of "first in, first out": he would only accept the offer if every man taken in before him was released as well.[48] McCain's refusal to be released was even remarked upon by North Vietnamese officials to U.S. envoy Averell Harriman at the ongoing Paris Peace Talks. .... In August 1968, a program of vigorous torture methods began on McCain, using rope bindings into painful positions and beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[44][40] Teeth and bones were broken again ... McCain continued to refuse to see anti-war groups or journalists sympathetic to the North Vietnamese regime;[44] to one visitor who did speak with him, McCain later wrote, "I told him I had no remorse about what I did, and that I would do it over again if the same opportunity presented itself. ... McCain was finally released from captivity on March 15, 1973,[55] having been a POW for almost an extra five years due to his refusal to accept the out-of-sequence repatriation offer.[56]

Romney, who equates his son's participation in his political campaign as equivalent to military service would be much better qualified as Commander-in-Chief once the meaning of the term is explained to him.

-—a man whose mental stability is questionable?

Please post your CV listing the Medical School you graduated from, the Psychiatry Residency you graduated from and the date you passed your Psychiatry Board Exams so that we may judge your qualifications for making such a diagnosis.

[TKDietz]

Below are just a few links I found with a quick Google search. What you will see there is that most of the time most people approve of him. He’s never had anywhere close to something as low as this 6% approval rating you claim he had.

McCain’s approval ratings in 2005 were highest of any Republican Senators looking to run for president in 2008:

http://thenextprez.blogspot.com/2005/12/mccain-biden-lead-approval-ratings-of.html

January 2008 USA Today/Gallup Poll showed McCain with a 59 percent approval rating, while only 29 percent viewed him unfavorably:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/26019.html

Here is a list of USA/Gallup approval ratings for McCain from 1999 through today:

http://www.pollingreport.com/l-o.htm#McCain

[TKDietz]

I wasn’t talking about Freepers. I was talking about the general public. Most Freepers hate McCain. The broader America does not share the same disdain for McCain as the average Freeper.

[singfreedom]

Did you just threaten what I thought you did? If your “reset button” equals a civil war, you are going to be going there all by yourself, just like Tim McVeigh, on his way to the “gurney”.

I live in OKC, so don’t even think a remark like that is going to slide by me. I KNEW a lot of those people, to many of them children, a few were willing to consider “collateral damage”.

Although disappointed in my fellow Republicans, I’m content to consider less lethal methods-—ones that don’t result in the ultimate theft of someone’s freedom-—death.

If I’ve misread your post, I most sincerely do apologize, but, under the circumstances, surely you can understand.

[singfreedom]

gondram, your tag is wonderful. It makes me feel good just to read it.

[PISANO]

Both Huck and Romney, TOGETHER, do NOT have enough delegates to overcome McCain at present and although it may be possible it is NOT probable that this will change by the end of the primaries!

[zipper]

It isn’t going to matter which you vote for.

If indeed the campaign really is about only one issue, and there's no difference in the nominees from each party, then everyone's decision should be made based on the other issues.

Abortion, the war on Islamofascism, taxes, etc.

[kabar]

No, those Republicans who refuse to vote for the Republican candidate in November will be the RINO’s. Your reasoning is puzzling to me. You keep harping about amnesty is, and then you want to help the Democrats get in who are probably more likely to get amnesty through than McCain. It just makes no sense at all.

It is a distinction without a difference, but it would probably be easier if McCain were the President. His election would embolden the Reps in Congress who would assume that immigration and amnesty are really not that important to the public and the Dems would feel less pressure because it would be a bipartisan effort. Both parties would then be held responsible for the consequences, which means that no one is responsible.

Look, I spent four days each in SC and FL dogging the McCain campaign. I drove nearly 2000 miles, stood in the cold and rain protesting amnesty, and attended almost all of McCain's campaign events. I even got roughed up on one occasion by some of McCain's goons who refused me entry. I had to be escorted IN by the police. As a former naval officer and Vietnam veteran [one year in-country and another 8 months off the coast], I was very disapponted by the treatment I received by McCain's people. It reminded me of my days in communist Poland during the days of martial law. It is not what our political system should be about. I did not disrupt any of the events nor did I carry any signs into the events.

I have been working as an immigration activist for several years lobbying the Hill and state and local officials on immigration issues. John McCain has been a thorn in our side trying to ram amnesty down our throats. In 2007, he bypassed the committee process and tried to get and up and down vote on the floor without amendments. On such an important issue, this is not the way to legislate. It is tyrannical and undemocratic.

I respect John McCain's military service. This is not personal. It has to do with his position on amnesty, which I deem to be a grave threat to this Republic and will result in its destruction if passed. I have educated myself on immigration issues. I have read and compared the 1986, 2006, and 2007 bills. I understand what is at stake. I don't think you do.

In any event, I cannot vote for John McCain given my personal investment in trying to stop him from passing amnesty. This is not about party loyalty or partisan politics. It is about the survival of this country and my personal commitment to it. I will continue to fight against amnesty no matter who is elected. Simple as that. And I don't need any lectures from people like you.

[singfreedom]

Kabar has answered your question to me far more eloquently than I ever could. Excellent, excellent response.

Your description of our culture as a “Culture Of Death” reminded me that, if we do not protect ourselves from those who wish to overwhelm us by violence or not, we will HAVE no culture-—”of Death” or otherwise.

[singfreedom]

What? What? Did I miss something?

[singfreedom]

Wow, RSmith, that was a great breakdown!

I don’t know what I was thinking when I read your first post, but it just sounded so strange, (sorry, sorry, sorry) that I kept waiting to hear the “Outer Limits” music start......

[proudtobeanamerican1]

Sure...keep dreaming. Isn’t going to happen.

[proudtobeanamerican1]

I agree. Not sure what Hillary will do, but it will be interesting to see what the machine does to get what it feels it deserves. It’s like history being rewritten if she doesn’t get it. And no, I’m not a Hillary fan. She scares me.

[raygun]

What do you mean?

[raygun]

SUMMARY OF U.S. TREASURY SECURITIES OUTSTANDING 31 DEC 07
	Amounts outstanding
	Public Holdings	Intra- Governmental Holdings	Totals $millions USD
Marketable:
Bills	999,547	4,327	1,003,875
Notes	2,487,368	1,119	2,488,487
Bonds	558,447	91	558,538
Inflation-Protected	471,430	256	471,686
Federal Financing Bank	0	14,000	14,000
Total Marketable	$4,516,792	$19,793	$4,536,585
Non-marketable series:
Domestic	29,995	0	29,995
Foreign	2,986	0	2,986
R.E.A.	1	0	1
State and Local Government	293,239	0	293,239
Savings Bonds	196,452	0	196,452
Government Account	91,189	4,073,077	4,164,266
Other	5,648	0	5,648
Total Non-marketable	$619,510	$4,073,077	$4,692,587
	=======	=======	=======
Total Public Debt	$5,136,303	$4,092,870	$9,229,173

[proudtobeanamerican1]

Okay, make you a deal. If McCain stays level headed for the next 8 months, I will consider voting for him.

[raygun]

Schedule of changes to public debt - by issue / maturity date - offset against initial position 31 Dec 07

Note: debits retire / credits renew (amounts listed are units of $1,000’s)

Type - Issue_Dt Maturity (Retired)/net - price/$1000

T-Bill 07/05/07 01/03/08 (20,573,316) @ 0.97568278
T-BIll 10/04/07 01/03/08 (21,907,561) @ 0.99029333
T-Bill 12/06/07 01/03/08 (29,000,238) @ 0.99758889

---

($71,481,115)

---

N/A

---

T-Bill 07/12/07 01/10/08 (20,552,453.0) @ 0.97548056
T-Bill 10/11/07 01/10/08 (21,855,436.0) @ 0.99007847
T-Bill 12/13/07 01/10/08 (23,000,048.0) @ 0.99775222
T-Bill 01/10/08 02/07/08 $15,965,870.36
T-Bill 01/10/08 04/10/08 $24,112,522.93
T-Bill 01/10/08 07/10/08 $23,707,753.75

---

($1,621,789.96)

---

($1,672,789.96)

---

TIPS : 01/15/98 01/15/008 (8,408,613.0) @ 0.99130 3.730% of inflation adjusted principle
TIPS : 10/15/98 01/15/008 (8,400,538.0) @ 1.00869 3.650% of inflation adjusted principle
TIPS : 01/15/98 01/15/008 (4,929,000.0) - TIPS adjustment for inflation a/o 31 Dec 07
TIPS : 01/15/08 01/15/18 $10,383,328.69 @ 1.002762028 [$10,411,966 @ 1.625 % on inflation adj face]

---

($11,354,822.31)

---

($13,027,612.27)

---

T-Bill 07/19/07 01/17/08 (21,711,896) @ $0.97540472
T-Bill 10/18/07 01/17/08 (21,855,838) @ $0.98942125
T-Bill 12/20/07 01/17/08 (20,000,217) @ $0.99786111
T-Bill 01/17/08 02/14/08 $ 8,978,497.821
T-Bill 01/17/08 04/17/08 $21,360,842.93
T-Bill 01/17/08 07/17/08 $23,680,869.16

---

($9,547,741.089)

---

(22,575,353.36)

---

T-Bill 07/26/07 01/24/08 (22,944,865.0) @ $0.97527833
T-Bill 10/25/07 01/24/08 (23,399,275.0) @ $0.99014167
T-Bill 12/27/07 01/24/08 (15,000,000.0) @ $0.99763556
T-Bill 01/24/08 02/21/08 14,979,659.25
T-Bill 01/24/08 04/24/08 22,279,724.52
T-Bill 01/24/08 07/24/08 24,627,531.85

---

$542,775.62

---

(22,032,577.74)

---

Notes: 01/31/06 01/31/08 (27,168,000) @ $0.99901510 @ 4.427 %
T-Bill 08/02/07 01/31/08 (24,010,871) @ $0.97573333
T-Bill 11/01/07 01/31/08 (25,681,327) @ $0.99009111
T-BIll 01/03/08 01/31/08 (17,000,111) @ $0.99766667
T-Bill 01/31/08 02/28/08 $19,968,135.96
T-Bill 01/31/08 05/01/08 $24,247,533.58
T-Bill 01/31/08 07/31/08 $26,981,412.86
Notes: 01/31/08 01/31/10 $26,864,204.08 [$26,922,862 @ 2.237 %]
Notes: 01/31/08 01/31/13 $15,680,302.68 [$15,704,984 @ 2.909 %]
TIPS : 01/31/08 01/15/28 $ 8,916,034.917 [$8,974,275 @ 1.75 % on inflation adj face]

---

$23,416,352.22

---

$ 1,383,774.481

---

T-Bill 08/09/07 02/07/08 (25,469,794) @ $0.97608722
T-Bill 11/05/07 02/07/08 (27,431,639) @ $0.99102639
T-Bill 01/10/08 02/07/08 (16,006,206) @ $0.99748000
T-Bill 02/07/08 03/06/08 $29,044,222.22
T-Bill 02/07/08 05/08/08 $28,918,383.71
T-Bill 02/07/08 08/07/08 $27,428,468.27

---

$16,483,435.70

---

$17,867,210.18

---

T-Bill 08/16/07 02/14/08 (24,089,787) @ $0.97618833
T-Bill 11/15/07 02/14/08 (27,478,804) @ $0.99132972
T-Bill 01/17/08 02/14/08 ( 9,000,058) @ $0.99760444
T-Bill 02/14/08 05/14/08 $**,***,***
T-Bill 02/14/08 08/14/08 $**,***,***

---

(60,568,649)

---

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Notes: 02/17/98 02/15/08 (13,574,716.00) @ $0.99514 @ 5.564 %
Notes: 02/18/03 02/15/08 (27,483,982.00) @ $0.99866 @ 3.029 %
Notes: 02/15/05 02/15/08 (23,882,592.00) @ $0.99731536 @ 3.470 %
Notes: 02/15/08 02/15/18 $19,013,510.12 [$19,204,237 @ 3.50%]
Bonds: 02/15/08 02/15/38 $**,***,***.**

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(45,927,779.88)

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[singfreedom]

It is not to late, maybe. There are still some states that have not had their vote, not as many, but still some.

If they pay attention, perhaps it will still have some affect.

[exnavy]

The fix is in, Mclame vs. Hillary, giving Hill the win.

[Marie2]

“I have a young nephew just getting ready to leave for Iraq. I’m sure his Mom would be elated if he didn’t have to go.”

Would she be elated to have him serving under Obama’s or Hilary’s command?