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Bones/skeletons as old as these are probably not related to the people we call Indians/Native Americans today. See below:

Vintage Skulls

1 posted on 01/27/2008 7:58:33 PM PST by blam
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2 posted on 01/27/2008 7:58:56 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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You are likely correct.

But, gathering these bones, and burying them, with government acknowledgment that they belong to their ‘tribe’, means a continuation of government funding.

It means they establish permanently that they ‘owned’ the North American continent, tribe by tribe, and we owe them for it.

Ironic, coming from a culture that professed to not being able to ‘own’ the land.


3 posted on 01/27/2008 8:05:15 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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Bones/skeletons as old as these are probably not related to the people we call Indians/Native Americans today. See below:

I guaran-damn-tee-ya that, if the Indians who now exist had ANY relationship with the ones represented by the bones, they were MORTAL FREAKIN' ENEMIES AND HAD NO USE FOR EACH OTHER! What a bunch of claptrap the present tribes raise with predictable regularity. It is a freakin' joke.

4 posted on 01/27/2008 8:08:50 PM PST by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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How curious, that once dead these humans become chattel! The profit motive overpowers the gift economy. Capitalism wins!


5 posted on 01/27/2008 8:15:36 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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Kumeyaay Indians are trying to have the relics returned.

Why not? They'd make a great tourist attraction for their casinos.

6 posted on 01/27/2008 8:18:29 PM PST by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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Interesting post.
This tribe also in the eastern part of San Diego County has a large Resourrt Hotel and Casino along with Spas, restaurants, Golf courses, Tennis, etc.


7 posted on 01/27/2008 8:19:58 PM PST by SoCalPol (Lets Have A Broker Convention)
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The Kumeyaay are more concerned that that remains might be identified as NOT being their ancestors. That would prove that they aren't the "native" or indigenous inhabitants of the area. Such proof would endanger the government gravy train. That can't be allowed. It's more important to suppress the facts.
9 posted on 01/27/2008 8:25:22 PM PST by Myrddin
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This tribe says it has been in that area since the beginning of time, so white Americans are required to believe them. Science be d-mned. The good people of Dayton, TN, in the 1920s were much more enlightened.

I remember reading a long time ago about a native group in that area, called the San Dieguito Indians, who were much more primitive than any of the other tribes of the area, and eventually disappeared.

The chances are there were many different tribes there over the millennia. The linguistic evidence might help determine how long the Kumayyay (sp) were there--who are they related to?

10 posted on 01/27/2008 8:29:18 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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Doing mtDNA studies could quickly determine whether any connection existed between these bones and current tribes.

Currently the oldest such connection within California is 5,300 years (ancient skeleton to living lineal descendant).

There is an even older connection (10,300 years) between a southern Alaskan skeleton and living descendants stretching from southern California to the tip of South America.

Both of these seem to be associated with one or more early coastal migrations.

11 posted on 01/27/2008 8:30:34 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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“We no longer want them disrespected.”

Let’s see...if science could learn something important from examining the bones of one of my distant ancestors, I would oppose it because...

Anybody? I’m stuck.


13 posted on 01/27/2008 8:34:40 PM PST by dsc
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It was probably just a tenured professor.


16 posted on 01/27/2008 8:46:50 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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Here is the issue the article does not mention. Kennewick man was not native american genetically. White most likely, possibly japanese. OOpsie big problem if you are native american that claim that you were basically born out of the land... ( I am choctaw) all the sudden there is another older group of inhabitants in the land... then the question comes....

If we came second, can we be called “Native americans” ?

And if we survived and drove the real native americans off the land that really screws up our whole iron eyes coty ( Who was Sicilian not indian btw) victim image.

So tribes are trying to bury these guys as fast as possible.


20 posted on 01/27/2008 9:30:08 PM PST by Walkingfeather (u)
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25 posted on 01/28/2008 12:02:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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"The remains, which a UC consultant says have been dated between 9,590 and 9,920 years old, make them .. just about certain to be totally unlike any current or historic tribes vaguely near the area, their cousins, or puppy dogs...The Kumeyaay don't care how old the remains are. They simply want to put... the evidence of their race scam ...to rest." [A very deep, very silent, rest.]

Better.

PS: If you live in Kalifornia, as these self proclaimed 'tribes' do, they also want to hugely increase the number of slot machines and extension of non-state & non-federal laws that they're authorized by the state of Kalifornia in exchange for the fiscal cut they hand the politicians of said state. Dollars that the 'gaming tribes' determine for you and that will never reach the causes Ahnold tells us they will magically assist.

27 posted on 01/28/2008 3:58:37 PM PST by norton (There is still no third choice - there is no longer any choice)
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Whenever I see facial reconstructions of these ancient skulls, I always think “Well, he looks like a native american to me.”


31 posted on 01/28/2008 4:23:57 PM PST by JustDoItAlways
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I have it on good authority that there have been lots of bones buried at UCSD !.........:o)


32 posted on 01/28/2008 4:26:19 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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