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OFFICIAL SOUTH CAROLINA PRIMARY THREAD

Posted on 01/19/2008 6:06:01 AM PST by vikingd00d

Today is the day.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2008; fred; frednumberone; fredthompson; gofredgo; gop; nothuckabubba; notmccain; notmitt; primary; sc2008; southcarolina; thompson
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To: Marcella
Why don’t we just kill everyone over 70, or let’s make it 60, or 50, or everyone who doesn’t believe like we do? Sarcasm, of course. You will become 70 some day IF YOU’RE LUCKY.

Remember the 60's slogan? "Never trust anyone over 30!"

Fast forward 40 years and update it.

We know McCain is in his 70's. How old is the Hildebeast again?

Cheers!

2,681 posted on 01/19/2008 7:20:50 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Marcella

McCain lost the immigration voters today! He isn’t going anywhere in closed primaries. He got zilch, nada, zero in Nevada and Wyoming.

That Fox has been pushing him is disgusting. At least Hanity points to his terrible record.


2,682 posted on 01/19/2008 7:21:00 PM PST by TheLion
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To: A.Hun
Sorry, but you can't lay the blame for this on the President. Maybe you haven't noticed, but GWB is far more conservative than the rest of the Republican party, as this vote tonight shows.

GW Bush created this moment tonight. I think the GOP is currently hemorrhaging voters as a result of the border issue. Someone earlier on this thread said that 160,000 fewer people voted in SC today in the Republican primary than in 2000. If that's true, it's a staggering number.

Personally, I'm about to change my registration to Independent or (*gasp*) Democrat. Why? What's the point of being a Republican in a state where the GOP is as liberal as the Democrats (NJ) and has absolutely no chance to win a state-wide election? At least as a Democrat, I have a chance to vote against the most odious of them in the primaries.
2,683 posted on 01/19/2008 7:21:20 PM PST by Antoninus ("Make all the promises you have to." --Mitt Romney)
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To: Rumierules; All
For all of you supporting McCain:

Just remember, the NYT has the dirt on McCain and spiked a major story about him before the primaries. If McCain gets the nod, that story will be front page news.

2,684 posted on 01/19/2008 7:22:43 PM PST by rintense (Thompson / Hunter 2008!)
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To: Rumierules

So far McCain hasn’t won a closed primary. There are 26 of them with 23 left to go. Florida might be very telling.


2,685 posted on 01/19/2008 7:22:47 PM PST by TheLion
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To: Antoninus
Face it, a liberal Yankee Republican is NOT going to win the presidency, whether his name is Rudy or Flip.

You let your own biases cloud your judgment. If you had any gift for handicapping the race, Duncan Hunter would be on top of the world right now. Sing us a song, Antoninus...

2,686 posted on 01/19/2008 7:22:52 PM PST by Bird Jenkins
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To: Petronski

Don’t let the door hit ya!!


2,687 posted on 01/19/2008 7:23:12 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Psalm 27)
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To: TheLion

oops....should have been 24 left to go.


2,688 posted on 01/19/2008 7:23:32 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion
Agreed - McCain only won SC because there wasn't one perceived conservative alternative, there were several.

This whole thing is shaping up pretty good for Hillary - Obama has been pesky and will win SC but she will shake him off on Super Tuesday in the big states. Meanwhile she sees the GOP is a clusterscrew.
2,689 posted on 01/19/2008 7:23:44 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: rfp1234

The SCOTUS will be screwed over by that time, though.

No doubt AT LEAST ONE will have to be replaced soon.


2,690 posted on 01/19/2008 7:23:56 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: restornu

Oh get over yourself. Don’t be posting stupid pictures and then trying to flip flop about it. Every one on this thread could see what you were up to. You just got called on it, and didn’t like it.


2,691 posted on 01/19/2008 7:23:56 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: rintense

Yep.


2,692 posted on 01/19/2008 7:24:38 PM PST by khnyny (Clinton and Co. are the carnies of American politics.)
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To: B Knotts

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/finance/a/mccain_feingold.htm

McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform

The McCain-Feingold Act, Public Law 107-155, is the US federal law that regulates the financing of political campaigns; chief sponsors were Senators John McCain (R-AZ) and Russell Feingold (D-WI). The law became effective 6 November 2002.

It is ironic that the legislation is known as “McCain-Feingold” because the Senate version is not the bill that became law. Instead, the companion legislation, H.R. 2356 — introduced by Rep. Christopher Shayes (D-CT), is the version that became law. Shays-Meehan was originally introduced as H.R. 380.

The law, also known as the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, focused on areas:

* Soft money in campaign financing
* Issue ads and
* Controversial campaign practices during the 1996 federal elections
* Increasing political contribution limits for private individuals

The law was in development for a long time, first being introduced in 1995. It is the first major change in campaign finance law since the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971.

Legislative History

On 22 January 2001, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) introduced S.27 (LOC). Eventually, the bill would have 41 sponsors:

* Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Cochran, Thad [MS] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Levin, Carl [MI] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Thompson, Fred [TN] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Snowe, Olympia J. [ME] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Wellstone, Paul D. [MN] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Jeffords, James M. [VT] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Reed, Jack [RI] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Wyden, Ron [OR] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Kohl, Herb [WI] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Harkin, Tom [IA] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Stabenow, Debbie [MI] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Dayton, Mark [MN] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Corzine, Jon S. [NJ] - 1/22/2001
* Sen Cleland, Max [GA] - 1/23/2001
* Sen Nelson, Bill [FL] - 1/23/2001
* Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] - 1/24/2001
* Sen Carper, Thomas R. [DE] - 1/24/2001
* Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] - 1/24/2001
* Sen Lincoln, Blanche L. [AR] - 1/25/2001
* Sen Carnahan, Jean [MO] - 1/30/2001
* Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM] - 1/30/2001
* Sen Bayh, Evan [IN] - 1/30/2001
* Sen Johnson, Tim [SD] - 2/8/2001
* Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] - 2/8/2001
* Sen Sarbanes, Paul S. [MD] - 2/8/2001
* Sen Reid, Harry [NV] - 2/8/2001
* Sen Miller, Zell [GA] - 2/27/2001
* Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] - 2/27/2001
* Sen Edwards, John [NC] - 3/8/2001
* Sen Dorgan, Byron L. [ND] - 3/14/2001
* Sen Landrieu, Mary L. [LA] - 3/14/2001
* Sen Graham, Bob [FL] - 3/15/2001
* Sen Dodd, Christopher J. [CT] - 3/30/2001

The Senate passed the bill, 59-41, on 2 April 2001.
(Roll Call Vote)
Democrats voting no:

Breaux (D-LA), Hollings (D-SC), Nelson (D-NE),

Republicans voting yes:

Chafee (R-RI), Cochran (R-MS), Collins (R-ME), Domenici (R-NM), Fitzgerald (R-IL), Jeffords (R-VT), Lugar (R-IN), McCain (R-AZ), Snowe (R-ME), Specter (R-PA), Stevens (R-AK), Thompson (R-TN)

On 18 June 2001, the bill was referred to the House Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet, where it sat.

On 28 June 2001, HR 2356 was introduced in the House. On Valentine’s Day 2002, the House approved the bill, 240 - 189. (Roll Call Vote no)

On 20 March 2002, the Senate concurred with the House version of the bill, by a 60-40 vote. (Roll Call Vote)

Democrats voting no:

Breaux (D-LA), Nelson (D-NE)

Republicans voting yes:

Chafee (R-RI), Cochran (R-MS), Collins (R-ME), Domenici (R-NM), Fitzgerald (R-IL), Jeffords (R-VT), Lugar (R-IN), McCain (R-AZ), Snowe (R-ME), Specter (R-PA), Stevens (R-AK), Thompson (R-TN)

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It’s been published in numerous reports that Fred Thompson completely regrets his involvement, especially in the many loopholes, unknown at the time, that evolved with this bill. Many were created by the lobbyist/attorneys after the fact. That’s what they’re paid to do.

So, that’s finished business.

What’s striking about the above info, however, is how sickeningly tight McCain is with the Dims .... he’s a total chameleon and spineless, political dealmaker and opportunist, as his record clearly shows.

TERM LIMITS!


2,693 posted on 01/19/2008 7:24:43 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Rumierules

Delegate Count (including corrected Iowa and some supers that have announced):

ROM 65
MCC 42
HUC 27
THO 10
PAU 08
GIU 03

Add Florida’s 57 delegates to one of those. Romney or McCain becomes nearly unbeatable. The rest with a shot, take 2nd place. (I don’t think Huckabee has a shot at Florida. I think it is most likely Rudy’s)


2,694 posted on 01/19/2008 7:25:26 PM PST by Ingtar (Romney didn't support President Bush's tax cuts in 2003, earning praise from Barney Frank)
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To: TheLion

I think whoever wins Florida, will win the nomination. And Giuliani isn’t out of it by a long shot.


2,695 posted on 01/19/2008 7:25:38 PM PST by Rumierules
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To: Antoninus

Thankds for all your pings in the past.

No, we are not going to have a conservative. Sad!


2,696 posted on 01/19/2008 7:25:57 PM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: txrangerette

I’m sad about Fred’s showing this evening, but I don’t want to give up hope. Only 5 of 50 states have voted. It’s time for a “PITCHFORK REVOLUTION” with the slogan TURN IN OFF (meaning the MSM). The press with their efforts to sway the election be damned. It’s time for some door-to-door, grassroots activism on the part of true blue conservatives. I’m not ready to give my country to the RINOs. As Mark Levin says, “It’s time to push back the liberal hordes.”

I hope Fred will stay in. without him, we have no real conservative in the race.


2,697 posted on 01/19/2008 7:25:58 PM PST by freedom4me (No compromise w/ the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact w/ unrepentant wrong. --Churchill)
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To: TheLion

another “thanks for the link!” (Trying to catch up on this thread-— her/g’daughter’s hamster had babies about hundreds of posts ago.) Came back to McBarf winning SC. ugggh


2,698 posted on 01/19/2008 7:26:02 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Calling illegal alien an undocumented immigrant is like calling a burglar an uninvited house guest)
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To: TheLion

He is polling well in FL, which is worrisome.


2,699 posted on 01/19/2008 7:26:28 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: over3Owithabrain

We have never had a Republican primary this weird, in all of our history. It is getting more interesting by the day.


2,700 posted on 01/19/2008 7:26:55 PM PST by TheLion
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