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To: pissant; Bob J; Congressman Billybob; Cyropaedia
it is not a bad idea to revisit that law and put in more specificity and a retroactive component

The problem is, the constitution prohibits ex-post facto law. You can't make it retroactive--at least no one has provided any rationale how to get around that. BobJ claims that BillyBob told him in a private freepmail it can be done by "undeclaring" the law. But CBB he did not respond to several pings asking him to address what seem like obvious limitations (how can you "undeclare" the law for Ramos and Compean and not the others convicted under the same law? Yet BobJ continues to spam the threads stating authoritatively (with no support) that it can happen if only Hunter or someone else writes a bill.

154 posted on 01/18/2008 9:14:48 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

It’s called blowing smoke. Out his arse.


155 posted on 01/18/2008 9:16:14 PM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: calcowgirl; mjaneangels@aolcom; pissant; Pelham
What's the use of Congress rewriting the statute when the prosecutor has already taken it upon himself to rewrite it for them....?

The way Congress actually wrote the particular statute coupled with rulings from both the Appellate & Supreme Court(s) make it very difficult for any prosecutor to just prosecute any LEO that becomes overzealous in the apprehension of a criminal.

Again, this is precisely why Sutton changed the wording of the statute.

170 posted on 01/19/2008 12:28:28 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: calcowgirl
No, I did not say that Congress could "undeclare" the law. Nor can Congress issue a pardon. What Congress CAN do, is to pass a law saying that "no federal money shall be spent" to keep these two agents in prison. Such a law is pending, and if passed, it would force the Bureau of Prisons to free the two men.

They would still be guilty. The law would still be there. But the two agents would be free. The cleaner result would be a presidential pardon, of course.

Congressman Billybob

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176 posted on 01/19/2008 6:33:59 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: calcowgirl

CCG, you are such a disengenuous...thingy. Now you are outright lying. Ex Post Facto only applies to to making an action CRIMINAL AFTER it happens. It has nothing to do with redifining a law that was missapplied...as in this case.

It was discussed at length and several FR attorneys over the last year have stated that such and that a law could be passed to free them. You demanded I verify it and I did. Now you claim you refuted while you did no such thing except flapping your gums and making things up.

You’re a lying, manipulative, deceitful person. Nothing you say can be trusted.


182 posted on 01/19/2008 8:35:40 AM PST by Bob J ("For every 1000 hacking at the branches of evil, one is striking at it's root.")
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