If there's no FRed and no Hunter and we're left with the four headless RINOs, then what?

January 10, 2008 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

The question was posed to me last night, if the only two conservatives in the race were to drop out, leaving the hapless RINOs Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee and McCain to ward off the Evil Witch of the East then, Jim, what do we do?

Well, I think four issues that most of us conservatives will agree on that are at the top or near the top of our priority lists are National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life should be considered. We can argue all day long on whether or not these guys are constitutionally minded, small government fiscal conservatives, and I don't believe any of them are, but we'll leave that for another day. Let's concentrate on National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life.

Well, I can see right off that that rules out Rudy, the draft dodging, gun grabbing, sanctuary city abortionist. At least the other three claim to be pro-life, although Romney has been a pro-choice abortionist for all of his elected history until he decided to run for president. I think Romney's pro choice, big government nanny state (RomneyCare) record gives him two big black eyes and should knock him out of any further consideration. That leaves Huckabee and McCain.

Now, all four of these guys are terrible on border security even though they're all claiming now to be border hawks. McCain led the charge for amnesty and the rest fell in line like dutiful RINO troopers. Can't really make a distinction among these guys on the border issue. All fail, though I think most conservatives would rank McCain at or near the bottom.

Guns. Rudy's definitely out. McCain's out. Romney's not much better. Guess Huckabee the big duck hunter outshoots the others in this category.

Rudy fails in all categories, McCain and Romney fail on guns, and all fail on borders. So I guess Huckabee has more to offer over the others at this point as he is at least pro-life and pro-gun.

Now comes national defense. Sorry, but I can't see the draft dodging, gun grabbing, gay loving, cross-dressing, illegal alien pandering abortion activist Rudy Giuliani as a very appealing or effective guy to head up our military, even if he did make some rousing anti-terrorist speeches on 9/11. The "gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military" Romney (no military or national security experience that I know of) doesn't give me goosebumps either.

So, again, we're down to Huckabee and McCain. Now you all know that I like Huckabee as he is a likable fellow, and I hate McCain, but wait. If the whole shebang is going to be decided on which of the still standing Republican wannabes should defend America from the terrorists and the surrendering Democrats, I think I'll have to go with McCain over Huckabee. At least McCain served in the military and has a whole lot more military and national security experience while serving on various committees in the senate than does Huckabee. Huckabee has none. And I doubt Huckabee can defeat Hillary. But then, McCain probably won't either, so guess that leaves plan B. Squat down, tuck your head down between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

Here's praying that the only two all around consistently reliable conservatives hang in there and one of them gets the nod.

Go Hunter!! Go, FRed, GO!!

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

It all doesn't matter. The GOP simply does not have the money or numbers to defeat the Democrats. Even Ron Paul, who is bringing in newcomers and independents to his campaign, is getting killed by independents going to Obama. All of the GOP candidates besides Paul and Hunter represent the same status-quo socialism, the same nibbling on the edges.

[hiredhand]

Jim Rob has just said most of what I've been saying for months now...and I've taken LOTS of heat for it. What you suggest "ain't happening. We'll pencil in our dogs and cats before we vote Romney. We're finished settling for second best with terrible men who "pretend" to represent our conservative values. We're either going to win big this time, or lose big, and although we don't look forward to losing, we are fearless in this and as prepared as we can be. I personally think we're going to lose. But that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong.

Don't get mad at me for saying yet again what I'm about to say. I won't leave you with a decent option, and I know that this frustrates people.

We won't vote for RINOs, but we won't vote for leftists either. To us, they are both one and the same. IF the GOP nominates a RINO, it's OVER. We'll make sure of it by the very nature of what we have decided to do long in advance. People like us will ensure that the conservative voter base stays split even though in sheer panic others will hope in vain that we will (logically) rally behind a "best of the worst" such as Romney. But we're not motivated by fear. In fact, we're unmoving on this.

When the dust settles and we all lament the outcome, your side will point at our side and tell us how stupid we are because we didn't rally behind the "best of the worst" and therefore handed the win over to our enemy. Of course we won't see it this way, and there we will stand, eyeing each other with contempt.

I get no joy in predicting this. In fact, I'll be happy if I'm wrong and people thoroughly rub it in after the fact! But this is the way that I think it's going to go....and in fact this is the way that it is going NOW.

[xjcsa]

We ban together and take over Mexico for ourselves?

What did 'together' do to deserve being banned?

[Bull Market]

Yeah, AQ will love the bulked up security around our borders, waters, and air when he pulls our guys out of freakin Germany.

I mean really, Germany?

Anyway, he’s not going to be nominated, so settle down.

[Charles Henrickson]

The only one I CANNOT vote for is Giuliani. In 36 years of voting, I have never voted for a pro-abort candidate, and I'm not about to start.

Romney is my fall-back option after FDT. At least he is *saying* some good things on most issues, but there is reason to be suspicious of his late conversion to conservatism. Huckabee or McCain--I suppose I would hold my nose and vote for either over a Dem, but I would certainly not be thrilled.

I *am* enthusiastic about Fred Thompson. He stands for everything I want in a President. Today I donated my first $50 to his campaign. I would also *work* for his election.

[bill1952]

I’ve been giving a bit of sober reflection to this likelihood. - i don’t drink. :)

I may very well sit this one out.

I do not like the carnage that would result if we suffer even further loses in Congress, let alone the white house, but I do not think that the lessons of 06 have run their course.

Things may very well have to get worse before they can get better for conservatives and here is why:

Should the leftward movement of the republican party continue, then we have nowhere to go.

Perhaps if those running on RINO like stance are all that can win then perhaps we should just accept this, move to the center” embrace amnesty for illegals and the resultant influx of 20 -30 million more democrats, learn to live with constant attacks on gun ownership, see the bright side of higher taxes for “the common good” and the list goes on..

I don’t think so. I still believe that we can force the reality of our combined voting power upon the GOP whether the K street Washington career elitists like it or not.

I might be wrong, and I have a lot more thought to put into this, but I am going to have to draw a line in the sand somewhere and say, thats it.

For me, it is immigration, and I'm not voting for McCain because of that.

As far as huckabee, well I couldn't care less who is elected if the choice is between him and hillary.

At least I could have some self respect left by standing squarely against her policies.

[Squeako]

Huh?!? They want to defeat conservatism same reason as ever.

That’s why they are boosting McCain and Huckabee, worst candidates for conservatives.

Well, I realize that's why, but the fact that it's happening right before our eyes is absolutely maddening.

[xjcsa]

Fred has become my first choice, but I actually still like Romney as a close second. I think I just trust him a bit more than many here, and I think his instincts are more conservative than he’s being given credit for. Huckabee and McCain are my bottom two of this group; they both give me nightmares (even though, as you say, Huck is at least a nice guy. But so is Obama.)

[umgud]

My 1st and second choices are Hunter, then Thompson. Given their traction, of lack thereof, I’d like to see Hunter drop out, endorse Thompson then both send a message that Hunter will be Thompsons running mate.

As to the other candidates............. I’m sick this is all we may have to choose from.

One note about McCain; He does not listen to his constituents and has a history of doing what he wants, even in defiance of his base. At least the others have promised to listen to us.

The others promise no amnesty, but McCain lies about what it really is and is unopologetic about it.

I just don’t know if I can pull the lever for McCain.

[Dog Gone]

I’d be happy with Romney or Giuliani. I don’t think Fred or Hunter are going to be around.

The pro-choice thing is overblown. Both Fred and Rudy think it ought to be decided at the state level.

And Presidents can’t do a heck of a lot about abortion anyway.

In practical terms, in what it would mean to you and me, McCain is possibly the worst choice of all.

[Maigrey]

Bumpus Maximus!!!

[kabar]

Thanks. I wrote it for distribution in South Carolina next week. McCain must be stopped.

[nicmarlo]

Taking cyanide, in whatever manner it has been wrapped, at whatever dosages it is measured, is still poison and will kill you. The RINO’s are what is killing America, as well as those who continue spouting the RINO mantra: “the lesser of two evils.”

This country moves ever left, thanks to the RINO’s and those who support and vote for them.

[mulligan]

Hold your nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. Stay home, don’t vote and you will, we all will get the absolute bottom of the evil barrel.

[dan1123]

I think the real question at that point would be who is at the bottom of the ticket. A Huckabee/Hunter ticket would be good for a future Hunter presidency. Even McCain/Thompson would be worth going to the polls for.

[fr_freak]

I think this discussion would be better had when the situation comes, and not before, because the very thought of "what if we lose?" will make losing all that much more likely. Having said that...

This may sound crazy, but I say if one of the RINOs gets the nomination, we should still vote our consciences, even if that means Hillary would win. The reason I say that is because all that voting for RINOs does is give legitimacy to politicians who support various ideological points which should have no legitimacy from the American people, and it extends our slow slide into communism. A Hillary win would put us over the cliff all at once, so that we are forced to face realities which are inevitable at this point, and deal with them in whichever way is necessary to restore our country (or fail completely, but I will sacrifice everything before I accept that).

I cannot remember whose quote this is, but it goes this way: "If there must be war, let it be in my time, so that my children may know peace." If our choices are to vote RINO and delay the inevitable, or vote our consciences and deal with reality now, I say let's deal with the reality NOW, while the population still consists of enough patriots to put up a fight. One more generation down the road, once the public schools, universities, and big media are done with the kids growing up now, we won't have enough people left here who even remember how the US used to be a free country to put up any kind of resistance against evil.

[Ingtar]

Three Massachusetts Cities Declared Themselves “Sanctuary” Cities. “The Massachusetts cities of Cambridge, Somerville, and Orleans, which to varying degrees had declared themselves sanctuaries for illegal immigrants. Since 1985, Cambridge has instructed city officials not to involve themselves in enforcement of federal immigration laws.” [Boston Globe, 8/15/07]

“As governor, Romney never directly addressed the issue of sanctuary cities.” [Boston Globe, 8/15/07]

Romney’s Initiative to Deal with Sanctuary Cities Emerged 3 Weeks Before Leaving Office, Never Implemented. “Regarding sanctuary cities, [Romney spokesman Kevin] Madden said yesterday: ‘Governor Romney worked out an agreement with the federal government to deputize state troopers to enforce immigration laws in Massachusetts, in an effort to negate local sanctuary city policies and the lax enforcement of existing laws.’ … That state trooper initiative, signed by Romney three weeks before leaving office, was largely ridiculed as grandstanding by critics who said he was burnishing his conservative credentials for a presidential run. The troopers never underwent training by the federal government, and Governor Deval Patrick, the Democrat who succeeded him, rescinded the agreement a week after taking office.” [Boston Globe, 8/15/07]

March 2006: Romney Supports A “Path to Citizenship,” Opposes “Rounding Up” Undocumented Workers.” Gov. Mitt Romney expressed support yesterday for an immigration program that places large numbers of illegal residents on the path toward citizenship… ‘I don’t believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country,’ Romney said. ‘[T]hose that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country.’” [Lowell Sun, 3/30/06]

[hiredhand]

BLOAT then DRINK! It’s dangerous the other way around! :-)

[gusopol3]

Ann Coulter’s argument that Romney will never govern again as leftist as he did in Massachusetts has some bearing.

[Congressman Billybob]

By the way, anyone who focuses on "the congressional races" should pay attention to the House seats that belonged to the Republicans but were snatched by the Democrats. The Republicans cannot retake the House, unless they recover those "lost" seats.

And, I am running in one of those "lost" districts, the 11th District of North Carolina. My name is John Armor, and I seek your support for Congress....

John / Billybob