Huckabee vows to defy birthright citizenship

Washington Times ^ | January 8, 2008 | Stephen Dinan

[3AngelaD]

Mike Huckabee wants to amend the Constitution to prevent children born in the U.S. to illegal aliens from automatically becoming American citizens, according to his top immigration surrogate — a radical step no other major presidential candidate has embraced.

Mr. Huckabee, who won last week's Republican Iowa caucuses, promised Minuteman Project founder James Gilchrist that he would force a test case to the Supreme Court to challenge birthright citizenship, and would push Congress to pass a 28th Amendment to the Constitution to remove any doubt.

The former Arkansas governor thinks the case against U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean was railroaded, Mr. Gilchrist said. Ramos and Compean are serving lengthy prison sentences for shooting a fleeing drug-smuggling suspect in the buttocks....

Mr. Huckabee has defended his policies on illegal aliens while he was Arkansas governor. He pressed for illegal aliens to gain college tuition benefits, complained about federal immigration raids in his state and declined to have state police enforce immigration laws, although the state legislature gave him the authority to do so....

[wardaddy]

thank you...i wondered that

[royhayward]

Ever hear of the KGB? Read up on the tactics used. Yes--an incredibly long, well organized, well controlled plan that required mega-U.S.-resources to counteract.

Well now, I have heard of the KGB, and your statement here is accurate as far as it goes. However, the premise that the PLO or Al Qaeda is a bit of a stretch. And I don't mean to diminish the danger or terrorism or terrorist organizations. But their missions and tactics are different than your historical cloak and dagger outfit.

Building a 'Sleeper Agent' program requires that you have to have the mentality and discipline to build this complex strategy and system. It is much easier and faster to go for a kill and destroy system.

Gorilla type war fare that these groups are good at demonstrate this. They look for and attack weak points in systems they oppose or dislike. Sure these require planning, but the are accomplished in the lifetimes of the planner. The KGB set plans in motion for generations, Muktada and Osama do things in months and years.

But we have left the topic far behind.

It is far more likely that the parents of the young baby are the terrorist and are using the baby as an anchor to stay and stage an attack that that the baby born hear will grow to be the terrorist.

You don't have to agree, but I don't think that fanatical commitment to blow yourself up is able to be instilled in the womb. (Unless you know of some CIA program where they have done this, I bet you don't think so either.)

[Paleo Conservative]

Huckabee isn't a liar. He just holds diverging positions at the same time, spins them in public, and keep making popular conversions right before the elections or primaries.

What is it about Arkansas that creates political snake oil salesmen and Hucksters?

[Paleo Conservative]

Building a 'Sleeper Agent' program requires that you have to have the mentality and discipline to build this complex strategy and system. It is much easier and faster to go for a kill and destroy system.

Gorilla type war fare that these groups are good at demonstrate this. They look for and attack weak points in systems they oppose or dislike

Hey royhayward, did you mean "guerrilla warfare"?

[calcowgirl]

Just a matter of time.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/sleeper_cells_in_the_united_st.html

There is every reason to suspect that we will endure suicide missions by Islamist sleeper cells. They are already in place. They are waiting for the right time. I know this from experience.

I have worked over 15 years as a U.S. Federal Agent, a U.S. State Department Arabic linguist, and the first civilian Federal Agent deployed into Iraq at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003. ...

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=3403101

The nation’s top intelligence official yesterday went further than ever before in outlining what he described as a heightened threat of an al Qaeda attack on American soil.

“Their attempt is to cause mass casualties,” said Adm. Michael McConnell, director of national intelligence, on NBC’s “Meet the Press” program. “Second [priority] is political and possibly economic disruption.”

... McConnell says small numbers of al Qaeda operatives are in this country raising funds. But he said he knows of no al Qaeda cells in the country that are capable of launching a strike at this time.

“I worry that there are sleeper cells in the U.S.,” McConnell said. “I do not know.”

[calcowgirl]

“gorilla warfare”

LOL! I missed that. Great pic!

[Jane Austen]

i agree.

[Jane Austen]

in looking at his recent statements, I do not trust him on this.

[GladesGuru]

“Of all the flip floppers, the Huck is the flip floppiest.”

Perhaps that is why he has been termed “the Huckster”?

[Ron H.]

in looking at his recent statements, I do not trust him on this.

It occurred to me that he is so Clintonesqe in this matter. I remember back in Clinton's days his people would send out a Whitehouse minion to anonymously "leak" something or an idea to see if it would float or sink. If it sank especially like a lead balloon Clinton could easily disavow ownership of the message or idea or concept.

On the other hand if it took off he would step up and lay claim to it as one of his ideas. So the Huckster is finding out he doesn't have the finesse to pull it off as the idea bombed in all corners. He is such an amateur that a big Arkansas Baptist preachers smile can't overcome.

[BillyBoy]

>> BTW. Fred Thompson always opposed ALL ILLEGAL Immigration. <<

Except the 900,000+ illegal Nicargaians and Cubans he voted to give amnesty to in 1996. They were just poor undocumented migrants, dontsa know.

Oh and let's not forget Fred voted AYE on lifting higher fines for illegal aliens.

Not that any of this matters to Fredheads. They rant and rave all day about Huckabee, but if you point out Fred was also pro-amnesty in the past, they scream "lies, lies!!" no matter how many times you point out documented statements and votes from him on this issue.

[BillyBoy]

>> Why was he so weak on illegal immigration when he was the Governor of Arkansas? How could we trust him to do the right thing now? Huckabee was acting in Arkansas against legislation that viewed as very redundant. Also, I want a President who is willing to learn and grow. <<

You know what the interesting thing is, EVERY single one of the GOP candidates (with the sole exception probably being Duncan Hunter) was "weak on illegal immigration" in the past when they were in office and had a chance to do something about it. That's why we're in the mess we're in now, because most elected officials were AWOL. Even Ron Paul, who now claims to be 100% for building a border fense, voted NAY when it originally came up.

But it when it comes to campaigns, the only ones who seem to be able to ADMIT their candidate was wrong in the past and has now corrected his position is the Huckabee camp. The rest of the GOP field seems to have blind worshippers who will insist THEIR candidate was always a staunch leader of "secure the borders" no matter how many times you can post voting records that show otherwise.

[rrrod]

The Huckster is a slick one....tonite he was on CNN saying the exact opposite.

[abigailsmybaby]

That’s easy. Little Sean goes to Ireland with his deported parents.

[stephenjohnbanker]

LMBO!!

[stephenjohnbanker]

“I suppose he invented the internet, too?”

No that was Gore...........I thought you were smart : )

[royhayward]

There is every reason to suspect that we will endure suicide missions...

With this I can agree.

“Their attempt is to cause mass casualties,” said Adm. Michael McConnell...

Again I agree.

But I then wonder about this insistence on calling them 'sleeper cells' or 'sleeper agents'?

If I were going to play terrorist manstermind, or 'Doctor Evil' for a moment I have two choices.

First Choice: Take the fastest most agressive action I can, while I can.

If I do this then there is no time to setup a 'sleeper' program and wait for 16 years or more to start to get action. I must act now while I can.

Second Choice: Take the time to study my target and work out the best prolonged attack.

If I were going to end up with a 'sleeper' program I would have to start with this approach, because of the planning involved in setting it up in the end. But if I did this, and studied the USA as a target for terrorism, I would never bother to setup a 'sleeper' program at all.

"Why not?" you ask. Well it is very simple. With the boarders open the way they are, and the scrutiny on making sure Boarder Patrol Agents get prosecuted for defending the USA, I would not need to go to the expense of this program. I would just send my active, awake, and alert agents in with student visas or tourist visas, or just walk across the Montana or Idaho boarder where no one is watching.

I hope that the Al Qaeda is waisting their money and time on 'sleeper cells.' If they are, then they are missing the window of opportunity and are giving us time to find the.

I hope you don't conclude from this that I am in some way in favor of complacency and sitting around waiting to be shocked by the next attack.

I am not.

But I am in favor of looking at the real problem and the real threat. As long as we can have a guy walk across our boarder with a back pack of plutonium, and no one will even see him. The we don't need to be running around looking under beds for the 'sleeper' terrorist. (hmm....why do we look under beds for these guys anyway? wouldn't a sleeper be in the bed, not under it?)

Our topic of USA born citizen right

And back to the topic, this is why I think removing the USA born citizen law will not help secure us from terrorist, nor will it really help our illegal immigration problems.

As long as there is a hole in our bucket, we will have problems carrying water with it.