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Proof Hucakbee is lying about the moving cross
myself | Dec 20, 2007 | Travis McGee

Posted on 12/20/2007 8:59:16 AM PST by Travis McGee

"THE TODAY SHOW"

MEREDITH VIEIRA: Let's talk about this Christmas ad, because it comes after you have taken some hits from the critics, first for calling yourself a Christian leader, then for questioning whether Mormons believe Christ and the devil were brothers, something you did apologize for.

Now in this ad you are say people should be celebrating the birth of Christ while the shape of a cross appears to take shape behind you. And that has led some to say that this is another overt religious appeal to voters. What do you say about this ad and about those criticisms?

MIKE HUCKABEE: That floating cross is a bookshelf, Meredith. We were all amused -- the production crew I think probably more than anyone, who put the spot together.

VIEIRA: So you didn't see that image when you put the spot together, that it might be confused?

HUCKABEE: Absolutely not.


These are movie camera "tracking dollies."

There are two reasons to use tracking dollies when directing a film. The most basic use is when following a moving subject and keeping them in the same plane. The classic use is to follow a walking actor in profile.

The other use of the tracking dolly is to move the background in a controlled way, while keeping the foreground subject in one place by simultaneiously tracking and panning the camera.

That is how the Huckabee team contrived and executed the shot, in order to move the glowing white (spotlighted) shelf/cross from the left side of the shot to behind Huckabee's head, in exactly the 30 seconds of the ad.

The use of the tracking dolly is the smoking gun, the proof that the moving cross effect was deliberate, and that Huckabee is lying about it being an unnoticed coincidence.

They didn't just come out and "find" that a tracking dolly had magically appeared on the set, and decide, "Aw shucks, why don't we stick the camera on this here funny contraption, and slide it from left to right while aiming at Mike's head, just for the heck of it."

Every aspect of this political advertisement was deliberate, down to the placement of the three ornaments on the glowing white spotlighted empty shelf.

The proof that the moving cross effect was deliberate, is the use of the tracking dolly to move the cross in the background in a perfectly controlled way.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ads; cross; huckabee
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To: Daveinyork

lol!


221 posted on 12/20/2007 2:45:37 PM PST by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: Travis McGee

His mouth was moving, wasn’t it? Proof enough to me that he was lying!


222 posted on 12/20/2007 2:46:23 PM PST by ssaftler (Which Al is more deadly: Al Qaeda or Al Gore?)
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To: Travis McGee

Oh.. My...God..., If you look really close, there appears to be a CHRISTMAS TREE in the video as well.


223 posted on 12/20/2007 2:46:30 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Travis McGee

You see a cross in that ad? Strange. Which of the three Roman crosses at this link does it look like to you?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a013.html

To me, it looks like a bookshelf. Whoever designed the set might have been trying to give the impression of a symbolic cross, but the actual image is not a Roman cross.

In any event, none of what you’ve written provides any proof that the Huckster knew that was the design purpose. I’m not in favor of his candidacy, but this line of attack is petty and silly.


224 posted on 12/20/2007 2:50:06 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Travis McGee
You're right, I've watched the video (linked at around reply 35) a few more times, and the perspective on his shoulders does not change. He could move his head to keep his face toward the camera, but his shoulders remain square to the camera. It had to be done with a second, added-on background. It was a "blue-screen" shot of Huck with the shelf/cross added, scrolling behind him.

This is a pretty specific charge, and should be pretty easy to confirm or rebuff. Frankly, I'd like to see it asked and answered by someone directly involved in the production. If it really happened as deliberately as all this, then a pox on Huckabee for lying. (And if it didn't, I assume you'll be issuing your apology forthwith.)
225 posted on 12/20/2007 2:55:56 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You guys are undoubtedly correct about the technical filming aspect.

I wouldn't be so sure...they've already changed their opinion from tracking-dolly hijinx to bluescreen hijinx. They may ultimately be correct, but I would hardly attach the word 'undoubtedly' at this point.
226 posted on 12/20/2007 3:01:07 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: libbylu

http://www.townhall.com/video/FoxNews/2176_071215-152549_121507_bb_holy_war_F1200


227 posted on 12/20/2007 3:01:21 PM PST by restornu (Harry Reid is going to get Daschled! You're on your own, Harry!)
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To: Travis McGee

We can quibble about how long the “cross” was in view; in fact, there’s a symmetrical, Christian cross shape only very briefly - even less than the 8-9 seconds I estimated. Mostly, it’s either almost entirely obliterated or is just two asymmetrical lines of unequal length intersecting at right angles.


228 posted on 12/20/2007 3:02:15 PM PST by Steve_Seattle (|)
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To: Steve_Seattle

People see what they most want to be angry about, sometimes. This should get interesting...


229 posted on 12/20/2007 3:03:39 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: Steve_Seattle

P.S. - in the shelf next to the ornaments in the linked photo at the top, I think I see the shadowed face of the Virgin...


230 posted on 12/20/2007 3:04:50 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: Travis McGee

An artist knows that in any picture/painting, the color red as an accent will draw the eye to that focal point. The red Christmas ornament is very well placed to draw the eye back to the cross. The picture of the cross with the red Christmas ornament accenting it is artistically very professional. Art is my passion and I give kudos to the picture in an artistic sense. We artists use paitings/pictures like storytellers use parables. Visually painted/drawn/photographed symbols are intended to have meaning and convey a message as this subject picture most certainly does.


231 posted on 12/20/2007 3:07:46 PM PST by EverOnward
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To: Travis McGee
I'm wondering if he's just mistaken. Because it makes no sense for him to lie about it. What's the point? What advantage would be in it for him?

Does he have a history of lying? Do we have any evidence that he just impulsively lies when he doesn't quite know what to say? If not, then I'd assume that he was just genuinely ignorant about the production values of this ad.

232 posted on 12/20/2007 3:08:38 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Hmm?)
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To: savedbygrace

Whether it’s a bookshelf as you think, or a window pane as I thought, I agree that there’s hardly conclusive proof that this was some kind of subliminal message to Christians. There has been nothing subliminal about Huckabee presenting himself as a Christian candidate, or even “the” Christian candidate, so I see no reason for him to enage in some kind of tricky subterfuge to make that point.


234 posted on 12/20/2007 3:11:42 PM PST by Steve_Seattle (|)
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To: rurgan

Sorry boys - the stripes didn’t work.


235 posted on 12/20/2007 3:12:52 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory. ------ www.gohunter08.com ------)
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To: Travis McGee

Would you say the cross-shapes in the windows at the left side of the pic in post #49 were deliberate attempts to put subliminal Christian crosses into the picture?


236 posted on 12/20/2007 3:19:59 PM PST by Steve_Seattle (|)
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To: beezdotcom
But isn't this a kerfuffle over nothing, really?

See my tagline.

237 posted on 12/20/2007 3:29:50 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: N3WBI3

Bookshelf? I am an idiot. I thought it was a shot of a window.


238 posted on 12/20/2007 4:12:14 PM PST by Sweet_Sunflower29 (Dear Santa, I can explain.)
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To: EverOnward

Thanks for the artist’s input. I agree.


239 posted on 12/20/2007 4:28:42 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: N3WBI3

In that case, I have you down for incompetence. Personally, I’m leaning toward obfuscation, but your mileage may vary.


240 posted on 12/20/2007 4:37:15 PM PST by LadyNavyVet (An independent Freeper, not paid by any political campaign.)
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