Straight Answers to Fox’s 21 Questions about the Mormon Church

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[TheLion]

Since there is no religious test in politics, I find these posts repulsive. I guess the more bigotry, the better....especially if it can somehow advance some other candidate.

This country was founded because of religious bigotry....for it to rear it’s ugly head and we to support it is dangerously stupid.

[OldEagle]

"It is my personal belief in the "immaculate conception" as believed by Christians and Catholics alike and that God and Mary did NOT have any kind of "sexual union". Things stated by earlier prophets to the contrary I belief were mortal attempts at trying to understand how a Virgin could become pregnant and concieve the Son of God."

Perhaps I misread your post, but doesn't the "Immaculate Conception" refer to the conception of Mary and not the conception of Jesus?

[Old Mountain man]

Actually, I don’t generally talk politics with members. I suppose some are crazy about him and some are not. I even know a couple of democrats (you can tell from the spacy look on their faces when Harry Reid is mentioned).

I think if he can’t nail either Iowa or New Hampshire, his campaign is toast. But then, I didn’t think Jimmy Carter had a chance in hell in 1976.

[JamesP81]

Does that mean you don’t agree witrh these little religious tests we see almost every day or do you only vote for certain religions?

What religious test? There is no religious test to run for office in this country. If a candidate's theology helps him be a better president, then good for him. If it has no effect, then I don't consider it. If it's a detriment, then I vote for someone else.

But what I personally do there isn't relevant. It is not bigoted or racist if someone decides to not vote for (insert religion here) because they don't like that theology. As I said earlier, this is America. You can vote for who you want, for any reason.

[MHGinTN]

The Mormons at FR are trying their darnedest to establish a PC taboo to protect their Mormon candidate from scrutiny regarding his religion ... you mustn’t allow the heresies in Mormonism to enter your mind when evaluating candidates, by Mormons’ whine!

[Domandred]

but doesn't the "Immaculate Conception" refer to the conception of Mary

Maybe I don't understand the term "immaculate conception". My church doesn't use the term, thus the quotes, so I have to go by my understanding. I understand it to mean Mary's conception of Jesus. Mary being a virgin and thus immaculate.

I have heard that some churches also believe that Mary was born from a virgin mother so that Mary herself does not fall under the curse of original sin and that is why she is considered immaculate, and thus her conception is immaculate. Not of original sin, and not committing original sin.

[Domandred]

It is not bigoted or racist if someone decides to not vote for (insert religion here) because they don't like that theology.

Correct. It is however bigotry to NOT vote for a candidate based solely on their religion. I'm not saying you personally are saying this, but several people here at FR have made it pretty clear that they won't vote for Romney solely for that reason.

There is just off the top of my head 5 or 6 reasons to NOT vote for Romney. His religion is not one of them, yet the usual suspects focus solely or mostly (mention the issues as an afterthought) on his religion only and don't even talk about other reasons to not vote for him.

May not like it but that is bigotry.

[Gamecock]

Since there is no religious test in politics, I find these posts repulsive.

And what do religious tests have to do with this thread? NOTHING.

[TheLion]

"Since there is no religious test in politics, I find these posts repulsive."

"And what do religious tests have to do with this thread? NOTHING."

You, madame are dumber than dumb.

[fproy2222]

have read that deceased persons can be baptised by proxy in the Mormon Temple. And Mormons are encouraged to do genealogy research for their ancestors and get as many of them baptised by proxy as they can. I am asking if it is more a matter of expense (how much does it cost?) or lack of information on the deceased ancestor? Thus, the genealogy database kept in Salt Lake City.

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back up stream you asked about “praying dead folks into heaven” and that is not the same as you reworded it to.

I can see how you and TheDon were having trouble understanding each other.

[fproy2222]

Well, there’s the first problem.

Joseph Smith translated the alleged Golden Plates not with the Urim and thummin, but with....get this.....yes, Southpark was quite accurate.......putting a rock in his hat, pulling the hat over his face, so as to exclude all light, and speaking words that were then written down by his scribes.

95% of all Mormons don’t know it happened this way as they have been told a different, more glorius and fantastic story.

But, the way it happened, as I have described above, is an account given by one of the three attesting witnesses to the veracity of the whole story, as well as Joseph Smith’s own moth

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Close enough to sound true, just far enough off that it is not the truth.

[fproy2222]

Catholic-bashing is coming up later.

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Do you think those who think and say that the Catholic church is also a cult will be celebrating the upcoming holiday named after a special Catholic church service.

You know a special mass to celebrate Christ’s birth.

That is, the Christ mass, or shortened as we have it today, Christmas.

[Gamecock]

If you think I am a female, you are dumber than I.

[fproy2222]

So, what did Joseph use? {removed inflammatory words that are designed to lead the reader into the writers narrow view.} I urge you to examine the evidence and make up your own mind.

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Thank you, that is all we ask.

[Tennessee Nana]

“If you do not care what a major leader of your religion thought, that is worrisome. You are willing to ignore clear heresy and blasphemy from him to continue in your beliefs?”

DUH...I repeat I DO NOT CARE WHAT BRIGHAM YOUNG HAD TO SAY...

And I have never regarded him as “a major leader of (my) religion”

However I do believe Isaiah the prophet (who could be called a major leader in my religion) when he said that Jesus would be born of a virgin.. Isaiah 7:14

How about you?

[Tennessee Nana]

Hi MHG

Is it tin foil hat time?

:)

[OldEagle]

The Immaculate Conception of Mary is often confused with the Virgin birth of Christ but in all the Christian religions that I am familiar with they are considered separate. Mary was conceived without original sin and not born to a virgin mother.

[nesnah]

So, I guess one the three witnesses (David Whitmer) is a liar:

“Joseph would put the seer stone into a hat and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and on that appeared the writing. One character at a time would appear, and under it was the translation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to O. Cowdery, who was his principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to brother Joseph to see if it were correct, then it would disappear and another character with the interpretation would appear.” - David Whitmer

[purpleraine]

Then the founders got it wrong.

[purpleraine]

I am objecting to the constant barrage of religious questions and details to vet these candidates. We have gone far beyond what you need to know to make a decision. Romney's a mormon. So what either vote for him or not. But do we have to have an ongoing stream of Huckabee and Romney posts to detail every eapect of their religion. What will they do about social security for ecxample.

If you don't know Romney's a mormon and Huckabee is a minister by now, you're hiding under a rock. In the immortal words of our democrat "friends"; let's move on.