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Their Conclusion: America's illegal immigration mess is born of bad policies that are either unenforceable or not enforced because it's not in our economic interest to do so. Rather than offering voters more of the same, which risks fostering resentment among a fast-growing minority voting bloc, Republican presidential hopefuls would do better to put forward proposals that will bring immigration laws in line with the labor demands of our expanding economy.
1 posted on 12/17/2007 12:10:44 AM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Our expanding economy? Who are you trying to kid?


2 posted on 12/17/2007 12:38:13 AM PST by Misterioso
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To: Zakeet

I don’t want the GOP to lose any votes but I’m not going to blame conservatives politicians for insisting on secure borders (a real fence), forced deportations and tools like a universal federal ID card.


3 posted on 12/17/2007 12:45:43 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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If you make minimum wage ($12400), with a standard deduction of ($8450), and have a kid (presumably yes if it’ going to school), you would pay no income tax. For that matter you would pay a negative tax (get free money back)
4 posted on 12/17/2007 12:56:53 AM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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For starters, more than half and up to three-quarters of illegal immigrants in the U.S. are working "on the books," which means they're paying federal and state income taxes, just like the rest of us.

What proof is there that 3/4 of illegal aliens pay taxes?

5 posted on 12/17/2007 12:58:42 AM PST by donna (Obama on cocaine: "Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it.")
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Better to lost the minority than lose the base, IMHO...
7 posted on 12/17/2007 1:33:24 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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Losing Hispanic voters? So what?

USA as any nation will always have illegal immigration, it is a fact of life.

I do not know about anyone else, but the only illegal immigration that alarms me, is the Mexican illegal immigrations.

They want to take chunks of Texas, Louisiana, New Mexico & Arizona. They think they still own it.., IMO.


8 posted on 12/17/2007 1:51:02 AM PST by valkyry1
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“For starters, more than half and up to three-quarters of illegal immigrants in the U.S. are working “on the books,” which means they’re paying federal and state income taxes, just like the rest of us. They are also paying Social Security and Medicare taxes,....”

total BS.
Got any proof?


10 posted on 12/17/2007 1:58:26 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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the Social Security Administration noted that BETWEEN 1937 and 2003, contributions to Social Security from unauthorized workers totaled an estimated $520 billion.

$520 billion over a SEVENTY YEAR (1937-2003)period is a DROP IN THE BUCKET compared to what it cost to house, educate, and for law enforcement associated for all those millions of illegal immigrants!!!

Not to mention costs from gangs like MS13, Russian mafia, etc.

If we need more 'low income workers', boost the temp worker program, but CHECK THE incoming people very thoroughly for disease and alterior motives.

We cannot afford to become a Latin-American style socialized revolutionary government.

15 posted on 12/17/2007 2:51:07 AM PST by Edit35
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Who are you trying to kid by saying that more than half of illegals pay their taxes? I suppose if you are couching that under the guise of sales taxes sure. But income taxes? I think not. As a New Yorker (and form Angeleno), I have know more than my fair share of illegal immigrants. While I have like many of these people, I gotta tell you. Most weren’t and aren’t paying taxes!!


16 posted on 12/17/2007 3:42:52 AM PST by David In Staten Island
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“If illegal immigrants didn’t pay taxes, Mr. Romney might have a point.”

Illegal immigrants pay a small portion of the taxes they owe. Is that better, WSJ?

And they are taking income away from Americans who would pay taxes, but can’t because they must compete with an immigrant for a job.


17 posted on 12/17/2007 3:49:12 AM PST by Brilliant
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“Huckabee’s Immigration Fumble”

IMO, more important than Huckabee’s past record is Huckabee’s plan to give AMNESTY to illegal aliens already here with a “touchback” scheme that will allow them to leave the U.S. briefly and return as citizens, entitling them to full benefits and no longer at risk of deportation. And when that becomes more than our government can handle...I look for them to be required only to do paperwork at some local Mexican embassy. I also expect that current EMPLOYERS of those illegal aliens will be given AMNESTY from prosecution. Only THEN will our “immigration laws” be enforced.

Huckabee’s plan (and any other candidates hiding plans for the same) MUST be exposed.


19 posted on 12/17/2007 4:07:53 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Support Duncan Hunter in YOUR State....http://duncanhunter.meetup.com/1/)
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Rockefeller Republicans get me sick. Illegals are a huge net loss on the economy. Those that get paid under the table don’t pay any taxes and they are such a burden on hospitals, that many in areas with high concentrations of illegals have been forced to shut down. Also, property taxes pay for schools, and most illegals are not homeowners. So, our tax dollars are being spent to educate illegals and when those run out, I am expected to contribute to the fundraisers in addition to all the taxes I pay. Furthermore, the laws could be easily enforced, all it takes is the will. Just look at the effect Arizona’s new law is having, Illegals are leaving the state in droves.

However, the real joke here, is that while Huckabee claims to have, as of last week, shifted his position so that he now favors border control and strict enforcement, while his supporters posting on Free Republic are still advocating for open borders. Could it be that even the Huckster Brigade understands that Huckabee’s 11th hour conversion not withstanding, that a vote for Huckabee is a vote for amnesty.

Also, wasn’t it Huckabee that basically called those wanting to require proof of citizenship to vote in Arkansas a bunch of racists?

21 posted on 12/17/2007 4:16:55 AM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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If illegal immigrants won’t vote for Republicans because of border security, then they were never going to vote Republican anyway, because they are a bunch of Marxists who don’t believe in borders and who feel entitled to parasite off of America’s (CAPITALIST) economy.


24 posted on 12/17/2007 4:39:45 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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Better to fight the illegal leeches and lose some votes than kiss their asses and lose the base because the illegals won’t vote for us anyway. Their good friend, the rat will promise them everything free as long as their keep him in office. They know if they do that they can get real Americans to foot the bill.


25 posted on 12/17/2007 4:43:05 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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I think we have an expanding economy that needs illegal people.

We’ve aborted over 40 million potential members of our workforce.

Huckabee acknowledged that concept in his “values” speech in Washington earlier this year.

But I’m not pushing amnesty either.

We need a border fence and deportation in the short term.

But longterm we need to admit things.

Among the admissions that abortion has hurt our economy.

But don’t expect the Planned Parenthood supporting business elites to consider that.

The next president should lecture the hell out of them on that one.

They’d rather kill the unborn, hand out contraceptives and hire the illegals than change their ways.

It could be anyone of the candidates up there right now with the exception of Paul and McCain as far as I am concerned.


28 posted on 12/17/2007 5:04:05 AM PST by Nextrush (Uncommitted for GOP President, but not Ron Paul or John McCain.)
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Muslim economical jurisprudence,

More spin from the "there shall be open borders paper".

The left and their corporatist allies are trying to destroy the nation. They are the ones m,aking this a race issue, while also funding groups like La Raza.

The WSJ wants cheap labor but deludes itself into thinking tha the uneducated poor will become Republicans if we say nice things. Idiots or liars.

37 posted on 12/18/2007 1:08:00 AM PST by rmlew (Build a wall, attrit the illegals, end the anchor babies, Americanize Immigrants)
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What BS. They don’t even look at the cost of illegal immigrant children and anchor babies.
38 posted on 12/18/2007 1:26:40 AM PST by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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