I ask the lurkers, "If you want to know about Chevy truck PROBLEMS do you go to a CHEVY salesmen, or to Consumer Reports?"
Posted on 12/16/2007 11:15:52 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus
Mormons aren't Christians ...
... and other thoughts on religion and politics sure to get your blood boiling
Herewith, my views on religion and the politics of the present moment, with something to offend just about everyone:
1. Mormons aren't Christians. I don't mean that as a criticism, only as a descriptive phrase. When Mormons claim Jesus Christ as their savior, there's no reason to doubt their sincerity and good will, or even to deny that they are in some way followers of Christ. Yet Mormonism rejects foundational doctrines of traditional Christian orthodoxy, such that it is impossible to reconcile with normative Christianity.
2. Anyway, the Latter-day Saints church teaches that all other Christian churches are apostate. A heretic is someone who rejects one or more doctrines of religion, but an apostate is someone who has rejected the religion entirely. How is it, exactly, that you can get mad when people you regard as apostates consider you to be ... apostate? How does that work?
3. Theologically, this is a big deal. But politically, so what? Mormons vote like Southern Baptists and come down on the same side of most issues of public morality like conservative Christians do. If you're a socially conservative lawmaker, wouldn't you rather have a Mormon in your legislative foxhole than a Kennedy-style cafeteria Catholic or progressive mainline Protestant? I'm no Romney fan, but is there really no meaningful political difference between Good-Mormon Mitt and Bad-Catholic Rudy, to say nothing of Liberal-Protestant Hillary?
4. There are plenty of good reasons for conservative Christians not to vote for Mr. Romney, but his religious beliefs are not among them. Do Christians want to be in the position of rejecting a candidate whose political views and moral values they agree with, solely because they don't like his religion?
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I look at all Orthodoxy as bordering on sin, if is it the practice of things we do to earn what is already dearly paid for. We all die alone, facing the Throne, so to speak, without our orthodoxies, but assessed by what we did with so great a gift, the knowledge imparted to us. I don't forsake the assembling of ourselves together, and I act daily in the light of what I believe about Christ and the World. This cannot help but make us a contrast with the great sea of others who are not so gifted. We have accepted the Word defined. I love the Catholic orthodoxies, but need no intercessor between God and me aside from Christ. I cvan't merit the unmerited favor of Christ, a gift made possible by the infinite value of his perfect sacrifice. Neither, among the others, can I gain access to God through behaviors, which are putting the cart before the horse, it seems to me. Faith is action based upon belief, I believe. Our behaviors just can't be the same as they were before we came to accept the overwhelming evidence of that what Christ did for us can't be earned or bought. "It is finished," he said, before yielding up the spirit. And the curtain separating the Holy of Holies in the Temple rent in two, from the top to the bottom, and not the other way around.
It's already been put to the test....
Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.
Circular logic.
You would NOT accept ANYONE who would come with some kind of data that calls your organization wrong. You KNOW it's right, therefore, anything that purports to 'come from GOD' will be thrown out.
An 'angel from heaven' could NOT convince you, even with bones in his hand.
You've already prayed to see if the Anti's might, even in some small way, be correct in the 'attacks' and you've gotten an answer saying, "They are false." and there is NOTHING that will convince you otherwise.
We agree on LOTS of stuff ;^)
JOC,ALAF!
Well, these anti-Mormon bigots finally got me moving.
I’m sending Mitt $100.
Then I can assume the Greek Orthodox are worshiping correctly and the heresies of the Romans have NOT influenced them
Therefore, to worship differently than they do would not be correct, therefore according to history, the LDS organization is wrong.
There is no way you can convince me from the Scriptures that after the proper amount of time after Jesus' birth, that Joseph and Mary did NOT get it on.
HELLO!
This sounds like how the PVoM is convoluted from bits and pieces of stuff!
"Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." was "written a few hundred years before Jesus' birth" as well!
Is THIS 'elliptical' as well??
Matthew 1:22-23
22. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23. Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
YOU LOSE!!!
(First one to bring HITLER into a thread!)
And his message was....
...to re-build our glorious Fatherland.
Not comical, but sad, in my opinion.
Why waste all the time and prayers to someone who is DEAD and in their grave - awaiting the Resurrection like ALL the REST of the saints?
OH?
I've not heard this.
Which ones are you thinking of?
Gee!
Thanks; oh Great One!
I ask the lurkers, "If you want to know about Chevy truck PROBLEMS do you go to a CHEVY salesmen, or to Consumer Reports?"
Once again, your umbrage mode has overloaded your apples and oranges circuitry.
PM did NOT state "What we believe" as you infer, but "What our organization has published"
BIG difference!
Thank you...
It's amazing the length some that some anti-Mormon Freepers will go to try and distort Mitt Romney and his faith.
Boo Hoo!
Just WHY did Joseph Smith want to be US PResident?
Luke 18
1. Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up.
2. He said: "In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men.
3. And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, `Grant me justice against my adversary.'
4. "For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, `Even though I don't fear God or care about men,
5. yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won't eventually wear me out with her coming!'"
6. And the Lord said, "Listen to what the unjust judge says.
7. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off?
8. I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"
Good point!
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